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Shadow Government Ordered After Attacks, Post Says (USA)
Reuters ^ | 3-1-2002

Posted on 03/01/2002 6:04:09 AM PST by blam

Shadow Government Ordered After Attacks, Post Says

Fri Mar 1, 1:42 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush has set up a "shadow government" to ensure that the government would continue to operate in the event of catastrophic attack on the U.S. capital, The Washington Post reported on Friday.

The newspaper said in the first hours after the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush deployed a "shadow government" of about 100 senior civilian managers to live and work outside Washington, in the first-ever activation of a classified "Continuity of Operations Plan."

The report cited three officials with first-hand knowledge of the operation as saying the Cold War era plan was enacted because of heightened fears that the al Qaeda network might somehow obtain a portable nuclear weapon.

The Post said U.S. intelligence has no specific knowledge of such a weapon, but officials thought the risk was great enough to justify the expense and deployment of a shadow government.

One participant told the newspaper that the first deployment came "on the fly" in the first hours of turmoil on Sept. 11 and that the plan has evolved into an indefinite precaution.

Under the plan, high-ranking government officials representing various departments have begun rotating in and out of the assignment at one of two fortified locations along the East Coast, the Post said.

A senior official involved in managing the program said the civilian force present in the underground bunkers usually numbers 70 to 150, and "fluctuates based on intelligence" about terrorist threats.

In the event of an attack, the underground government would try to contain disruptions of the nation's food and water supplies, transportation links, energy and telecommunications networks, public health and civil order, the report said.

The Washington Post said it agreed to a White House request not to name any of those deployed or identify the two principal locations of the shadow government.


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To: jwalsh07
??? No comprehende'. What are you trying to say?
141 posted on 03/01/2002 9:39:53 AM PST by Sequitur
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To: rbmillerjr; Sequitur
I think this is a great debate. Wish I could hang but work to finish and swimming lessons for the kids. Here's a Plan, Ill stop calling you guys "Black Helicopter crowd" if you dont call us "govt lovers". (Believe me, nothing could be futher from the truth)

Back at 7 for any further debate

142 posted on 03/01/2002 9:41:27 AM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: anniegetyourgun
We are ill prepared to deal with an earthquake in a major metropolitan center. When I lived in L.A. we had quite a few small ones and one caused many highway overpasses to come crashing dow. Luckily it happenened well before rush hour. So far we've been lucky.
143 posted on 03/01/2002 9:48:22 AM PST by sakic
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To: blam
If nuclear devices were to go off here I think I'd have more immediate concerns than this shadow government.
144 posted on 03/01/2002 9:54:41 AM PST by sakic
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To: Sabertooth
I would've liked that movie more if it didn't have Alec Baldwin in it.
145 posted on 03/01/2002 9:59:51 AM PST by FourtySeven
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To: anniegetyourgun; Steve0113; KSCITYBOY
anniegetyourgun: "It's called leadership and forethought."

Steve0113: "This sounds like nothing more than prudently having a backup."

KSCITYBOY: "...the continuation of the government in case of a major attack is a responsibility of the government."

All good points but they overlook one important fact: a "backup" government is unconstitutional. We already have a procedure to follow should something ever happen to the president, vice president, etc.

According to the article, "the underground government would try to contain disruptions of the nation's food and water supplies, transportation links, energy and telecommunications networks, public health, and civil order." What exactly does this mean? What kind of powers have these people been given? And why can't the states handle such issues? There was once a reason why individual states had their own militias comprised of private citizens.

The idea that we need a backup federal government is frightening. If, God forbid, every Washington politician were killed in an atomic blast, the Constitution would still be the law of the land and order would subsequently be restored. Frankly, I don't see how getting a fresh start in Washington could be at all bad for this country. (Yes, I'm being somewhat sarcastic.)

146 posted on 03/01/2002 10:07:10 AM PST by sheltonmac
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To: blam
I got a chill reading this article, but not out of paranoia at Bush & Co. Rather, I am impressed with him. For him not to have a backup, skeleton government in case of nuclear attack, would be a sign of incompetence. This article reminds me of the early-to-mid 1960s Fail Safe-type movies about a potential nuclear holocaust.

To the tinfoil hatters saying, "I told you so!," I have a question: Told us what?!


147 posted on 03/01/2002 10:12:37 AM PST by mrustow
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To: sheltonmac
The idea that we need a backup federal government is frightening. If, God forbid, every Washington politician were killed in an atomic blast, the Constitution would still be the law of the land and order would subsequently be restored.

Praise God! Another soul who knows what the Constitution really is! The Constitution is the law of this land folks.

One more time, all together now...

The Constitution is the law of this land! Now, think about that. Come on, you can do better than that. REALLY think about it!

Learn it, love it, live it!

148 posted on 03/01/2002 10:17:25 AM PST by Hoosier Patriot
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To: mrustow
See #146
149 posted on 03/01/2002 10:18:46 AM PST by Hoosier Patriot
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To: TigersEye
Thanks Mr. Goverment Dude, I thought the orange sky was from that bright flash a couple of days ago.....but I guess that just made it snow. Weird snow too..... wasn't the least bit cold. Thanks for the Rogaine, can I eat yet?
150 posted on 03/01/2002 10:18:52 AM PST by WALLACE212
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To: Hoosier Patriot
According to the article, "the underground government would try to contain disruptions of the nation's food and water supplies, transportation links, energy and telecommunications networks, public health, and civil order." What exactly does this mean? What kind of powers have these people been given? And why can't the states handle such issues? There was once a reason why individual states had their own militias comprised of private citizens.

The idea that we need a backup federal government is frightening. If, God forbid, every Washington politician were killed in an atomic blast, the Constitution would still be the law of the land and order would subsequently be restored. Frankly, I don't see how getting a fresh start in Washington could be at all bad for this country. (Yes, I'm being somewhat sarcastic.)

What about regional/national networks? And how long would "subsequent" be? Who would be running the Department of Defense, Border Patrol, etc., during "subsequent"? Philosophically, what you're saying sounds nice, but not very realistic. I'd also like you to show me where the Constitution forbids it.

151 posted on 03/01/2002 10:37:48 AM PST by mrustow
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To: sheltonmac
. If, God forbid, every Washington politician were killed in an atomic blast, the Constitution would still be the law of the land and order would subsequently be restored.

And this plan is designed to deal with that time between the beginning of your sentence and the end of it. It's about prudence, not politics.

152 posted on 03/01/2002 10:41:23 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: blam
Hallelujiah! This is great news - the two things I've worried most about re terrorists were a nuclear strike on Washington, ending any effective resistance and the release of small pox into the general population. This covers one of my concerns.
153 posted on 03/01/2002 10:50:04 AM PST by Let's Roll
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To: Crunchy Jello
Found it in an article on Freeper about Eric Alterman, Liberal Liar Size Large. And yes, I LOL too, when I saw it.
154 posted on 03/01/2002 10:53:26 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: TigersEye
I feel it's my duty to spur on common sense so we don't all sink into robotic apathy.

Oooooo! Ow!

155 posted on 03/01/2002 11:00:42 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Lumberjack
It couldn't possibly mean that we allow states autonomy and try to ferry away most of our *elected officials* to try to maintain a Constitutional FedGov, right? No, much better to set up an oligarchy dictatorship. That's being prepared, right?

The Marines have taken care of that...

HMX-1 also provides helicopter emergency evacuation and other support as directed by the Commandant of the Marine Corps.

156 posted on 03/01/2002 11:09:42 AM PST by Chemist_Geek
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To: mrustow
"I'd also like you to show me where the Constitution forbids it."

It doesn't work that way. In order for the government to do something it has to show where the Constitution allows it (see the 9th and 10th Amendments). Just because the Constitution doesn't specifically forbid something doesn't mean the government can do it. The founders were pretty clear on that point.

157 posted on 03/01/2002 11:13:58 AM PST by sheltonmac
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To: blam
BUMP
158 posted on 03/01/2002 11:16:04 AM PST by Aurelius
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To: mrustow
Re #157 - the constitution doesn't speak to the allowance for a potty off the Senate chambers either. I wonder what gave those pols the idea that they might get away with having such a space - in the event of an emergency, that is!
159 posted on 03/01/2002 11:26:43 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
There is a big difference between a non-elected entity assuming power and where the US Senate goes to take a leak; sorry, not buying that analogy.
160 posted on 03/01/2002 11:33:17 AM PST by WALLACE212
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