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Sceptics denounce climate science 'lie'
BBC News ^ | 25 February, 2002 | Alex Kirby

Posted on 02/24/2002 11:14:42 PM PST by My Identity

A group of scientists in the US and the UK says the accepted wisdom on climate change remains unproved.

They say rising greenhouse gas emissions may not be the main factor in global warming.

They argue that temperature rise projections this century are "unknown and unknowable".

They claim it is "a media myth" to suppose that only a few scientists share their scepticism.

The scientists, a group convened by the American George C. Marshall Institute, first published their report in the US.

'Political conclusions'

It has been republished in the UK by the European Science and Environment Forum (Esef), entitled Climate Science and Policy: Making the Connection.

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Esef says it is "the result of an extensive review by a distinguished group of scientists and public policy experts of the science behind recent findings of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)".

The US group included a former CIA director and defence secretary, James Schlesinger, and Richard Lindzen, professor of meteorology at Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

The report says the IPCC's conclusions "have become politicised and fail to convey the underlying uncertainties that are important in policy considerations."

Its detailed criticisms of the IPCC include:

The authors conclude: "The IPCC simulation of surface temperature appears to be little more than a fortuitous bit of curve-fitting rather than any genuine demonstration of human influence on global climate."

Accused of lying

Philip Stott, emeritus professor of biogeography in the University of London, is a prominent British climate sceptic.

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He said: "The authors challenge the key contradiction at the heart of the Kyoto Protocol, the global climate agreement - that climate is one of the most complex systems known, yet that we can manage it by trying to control a small set of factors, namely greenhouse gas emissions. Scientifically, this is not mere uncertainty: it is a lie."

Professor Stott told BBC News Online: "The problem with a chaotic coupled non-linear system as complex as climate is that you can no more predict successfully the outcome of doing something as of not doing something. Kyoto will not halt climate change. Full stop."

Eileen Claussen, president of the Pew Center on Global Climate Change, used to work at the State Department and helped to shape US climate policy.

Heavyweight backing

She told BBC News Online: "This report dismisses the findings of the IPCC as alarmist, yet they are widely accepted as representative of the current state of scientific knowledge.

"A panel of the US's own National Academy of Sciences (which included Richard Lindzen) expressed general agreement with the IPCC's finding that warming is occurring, and that it is at least partly caused by humans.

"Uncertainty cuts both ways. Some of the IPCC's scenarios have been criticized as unduly pessimistic, others as unduly optimistic.

"What is important is that they reflect a balance of reasonable futures, and that the scientific findings should be based on the peer-reviewed literature. The IPCC has been able to accomplish exactly that.

"And Kyoto was only intended to be a first step in a long journey."


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: geopolitics; globalwarminghoax; landgrab; nwo
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1 posted on 02/24/2002 11:14:42 PM PST by My Identity
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To: My Identity
The authors challenge the key contradiction at the heart of the Kyoto Protocol, the global climate agreement - that climate is one of the most complex systems known, yet that we can manage it by trying to control a small set of factors, namely greenhouse gas emissions. Scientifically, this is not mere uncertainty: it is a lie."

In a nut shell...
2 posted on 02/24/2002 11:16:57 PM PST by My Identity
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To: My Identity; Global Warming Hoax; Stand Watch Listen;rightwhale;Free the USA;carry_okie...
Nice catch!

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3 posted on 02/24/2002 11:27:10 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: My Identity
I always thought it strange that those who could NOT predict a rainy or sunny day with any degree of accuracy, could somehow project the future tendencies of our climate two weeks from now, let alone two hundred years hence.

nice catch.

4 posted on 02/25/2002 12:40:01 AM PST by Robert_Paulson2
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To: My Identity
"And Kyoto was only intended to be a first step in a long journey."

To global taxation and tryanny, having nothing to do with carbon dioxide or climate change. Pew is a creature of Sunoco, an oil company. So is the World Wildlife Fund, that's Shell. Then there's the big daddy of environmental funding, uh, that would be Rockefeller.

These creeps aren't happy making money on just oil, they want to make money on burning it by trading in the carbon credits. It'a a crooked scam.

5 posted on 02/25/2002 2:15:39 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
These global warming alarmist/crooks haven't had too much fun lately. First, Bush, then Nasa and now these prominent scientists are exposing their scam. Gotta love it.
6 posted on 02/25/2002 3:59:45 AM PST by demkicker
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To: Carry_Okie
And part of the drive to the New World Order. Socialize energy and food and you have the tools to control the world.
7 posted on 02/25/2002 4:04:19 AM PST by meenie
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To: My Identity; "NWO"; geopolitics; landgrab; M1991; cdwright; mbb bill; Zoey; kristinn; Rebeckie...
• projections of climate change based on models and assumptions which "are not only unknown, but unknowable within ranges relevant for policy-making"
• models which "do not adequately characterise clouds, water vapour, aerosols, ocean currents and solar effects"
• a failure "to reproduce the difference in trends between the lower troposphere and surface temperatures over the past 20 years".
Guys, A lie by any other name is still a lie. In A commentary at News Max, Vox Day writes, "Science, for all of its tremendous accomplishments, is still merely the epitome of Man's knowledge......" in his "Satan, Science and the Supernatural". And, it would seem that science has become, not "the epitome of man's knowledge", but what man {scientists} can sell to the gullible. in the name of "science". Peace and love, George..
8 posted on 02/25/2002 4:05:32 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park; ALL
"In A commentary at News Max, Vox Day writes,"

ALL, My BIG bad. Vox Day's article is at World Net Daily. SORRY 'bout that! Peace and love, George.

9 posted on 02/25/2002 4:23:29 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
BUMP
10 posted on 02/25/2002 4:53:18 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: My Identity

To learn more about GoreBull Warming click the Taz!


11 posted on 02/25/2002 5:17:07 AM PST by texson66
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To: My Identity
A good source of information on the Global Warming Scam can be found here...

Science & Environmental Policy Project

12 posted on 02/25/2002 5:26:14 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: My Identity; ernest at the beach
MI, great find!

Ernest thanks for the ping!

13 posted on 02/25/2002 5:44:48 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks for the flag.
14 posted on 02/25/2002 5:46:55 AM PST by farmfriend
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To: texson66
Nice link, and cool picture for the link.

There's a link on that page to an article about "The Isle of the Dead" and the tide benchmark there. I had bookmarked that site long ago, under the general heading "wacko science as politics". It's good material for refuting the "oceans are rising quickly" nonsense.

15 posted on 02/25/2002 6:10:52 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: My Identity
Eileen Claussen, president of the Pew Center on Global Climate Change, used to work at the State Department and helped to shape US climate policy.

Weakly-written article for the BBC, as you will note the above-listed defender of the media's 'consensus' is introduced without proper contextual explanation as to her role and attempted defense of the Global Warming Myth (GWM, for short). GWM, as used by me stands not for the simple proposition that the Earth is getting warmer, although the evidence is now clear from the poles that it isn't, but rather, that there is A) a Problem, and B) that its due to Man's emissions activities as advanced by the Kyoto treaty disciples) Both manifestly dubious propositions...

A critcal reader would note however, Claussen's bias-factors, e.g., entrenched self-interest in defending her previous work product, and her current career position. The Global Climate Change Foundation would go out of business, and her fat paycheck with it, if, in fact, there is no substantial global climate change .

16 posted on 02/25/2002 6:46:37 AM PST by Paul Ross
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To: My Identity
Good post. The author is clearly biased, but the fact the BBC is recognizing the opposing argument shows they are beginning to "sweat" the details. The "global warming" science community and (hopefully) the socialist "third-way" political parties will pay a heavy price for their fear-mongering assault on free enterprise.
17 posted on 02/25/2002 7:29:46 AM PST by Faraday
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks for the ping!
18 posted on 02/25/2002 7:48:02 AM PST by madfly
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To: My Identity
Sceptics denounce climate science 'lie'

That reminds me.........I need to get mine pumped.

19 posted on 02/25/2002 7:52:28 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: My Identity
The US group included a former CIA director and defence secretary, James Schlesinger…

You know, if you’re going to produce a report on the politicization of science, perhaps you could leave the non-scientific, politic appointees off your commission.

20 posted on 02/25/2002 7:52:39 AM PST by dead
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