“But, but, but” – Islam Means Peace, Doesn’t It? (NOT BLOODY LIKELY)

Free Britannia Journal ^ | February 23, 2002 | Greg Collins

[iav2]

Peace my patootie. Mayhem and violence, in the words of Pat Robertson.

[coolworx]

Any country politically controlled by any religion is a threat to the free world.

[is_is]

What's the difference between Andrea Yates and Mohammed Atta?

Do you truly believe this is a legitimate comparison????

Without even thinking about it i can give you ONE MAJOR difference.....Yates has/had no desire to DESTROY AMERICA/ISRAEL......

come up with a better comparison.........

I have a hard time believing you and a few others here are legitimate in your beliefs....but are more likely hired propogandist....

[Diogenesis]

[FITZ]

How would Muslims react if the Koran was slightly modified so that every reference to Christians and Jews was replaced by "Arabs and Muslims"? It would read like this:

"Then fight and slay the Arabs and Muslims wherever you find them. And seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them, in every stratagem (of war)." (Surah 9, Section 5)

"Those who believe fight in the cause of the God of Jacob; And those who reject the true faith of the God of Jacob fight in the cause of Evil; So fight ye against the Arabs and Muslims, those Friends of Satan ...." (Surah 4, Section 10, Chapter 76)

"The God of Jacob has turned his face from Arabs and Muslims, and Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and Atheists should do the same." (Surah 4, Section 7, Chapter 47)

[is_is]

The better course would be for "moderate" Islam in the West to begin policing its own house,

the fact that they don't, doesn't tell you anything?.....

[A. Pole]

Any country politically controlled by any religion is a threat to the free world.

Any? So it does not matter what the religion is about? What about the atheist regimes, by your logic they must have been the most free of all?

[Teacup]

Islam is not a religion founded on peace. It sounds like it's a religion founded in oppression and "salvary, and legalism." That is, "If you do not surrender to our demands, you die." Makes you wonder why so many afrian Americans have surrendered to this religion?
Thanks MadIvan, this is truly and eye opening article. I find nothung peaceful to what these extemist Islamic types do or say.

[MadIvan]

But I must take issue with the verse from the Koran you've used.

Not me, but one of our staff writers. But what is he supposed to do - the Koran doesn't say "Ignore this passage, we didn't really mean it."

Regards, Ivan

[coolworx]

"Any? So it does not matter what the religion is about? "

Well... any religion I've ever known anyway. They all become intolerably intolerant when drunk on state power.

Read some history, Chief.

[mv1]

Somebody posted on one of the gazillion hate-moslem threads awhile back a series of links that showed American Moslems and other moslems condemning the 9-11 attacks and all the terrorism. So they did speak out but nobody seemed to want to accept it because it didn't fit their arguments.
Don't you feel a little uncomfortable with this level of hatred against an ethnic and religious group?

[Mortimer Snavely]

Glad to see you back.

Good essay. I've said this before: some of your stuff should be in The Economist.

[iav2]

Andrea Yates is one madwoman. Mohammed Atta was part of a world-wide network (in 70 nations) that specifically preaches that it wants to kill "infidels", Americans and Jews in particular. These people are supported and protected by any number of Muslim states. In addition, Muslim organizations in the United States have been revealed to have ties to terrorist groups. It's pure denial not to admit that there is a strong streak of violence and intention to dominate in Islam. In other religions there are violent types but they are the exception. In many areas of the world, they are the rule in Muslim nations.

[shetlan]

I believe their agenda is to make the U.S. government a Muslim government. We are in a long war for the survival of our country. We are up against pure evil. We WILL win this war, but there will be huge losses. The only way to stop terror is with horror. There will be horror.

IMO this "religion" is a political movement based on lies. (ie: There are virgins in paradise for you if you kill your sorry self.)

It's time for honorable Americans to identify the real enemy. It's past time to get rid of the "Muslims are not evil" compassion, OR PROVE OTHERWISE. Lets hear from them. I want to hear the Muslims declare they believe in America, in the American Republic. I want to hear the Muslims vow that they do not wish to destroy capitalism. At least those LIVING IN THIS GREAT COUNTRY AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE MOST WONDERFUL COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD--or get the hell out.

[FITZ]

Don't you feel a little uncomfortable with this level of hatred against an ethnic and religious group?

Do you feel a little uncomfortable with the level of hatred by the Muslims against the Jews? Remember --they beheaded Pearl right after they had him admit he was a Jews.

[MadIvan]

I can't take credit for this, the credit for this goes to my good friend Greg Collins, who contributes to our Journal on Free Britannia.

But thanks again.

Regards, Ivan

[FITZ]

In order to prepare the Muslims for Jihad against the whole non-Muslim world, it was necessary to cure them even of that slight weakness of faith from which they were still suffering. For there could be no greater internal danger to the Islamic Community than the weakness of faith, especially where it was going to engage itself single-handed in a' conflict with the whole non-Muslim world. That is why those people who had lagged behind in the Campaign to Tabuk or had shown the least negligence were severely taken to task, and were considered as hypocrites if they had no plausible excuse for not fulfilling that obligation. Moreover, a clear declaration was made that in future the sole criterion of a Muslim's faith shall be the exertions he makes for the uplift of the Word of Allah and the role he plays in the conflict between Islam and kufr. Therefore, if anyone will show any hesitation in sacrificing his life, money, time and energies, his faith shall not be regarded as genuine. (vv. 81-96). by Syed A'la Maududi

[Hamza01]

Ivan: RE your number 29.

I think the trouble we generally run into when quoting the Old Testament or the Koran is that we forget that there are some passages meant as guidance for all time-- and others that recall a specific historical event or God's edict for a particular situation.

For instance the OT calls for the "slaying of the Caananites", "castration of x,y,z". Similarly, a number of declarations for violence in the Koran are for a specific time and place, or recall a specific event.

According to the Koran, Jihad was supposed to be purely defensive war. Wars of conquest were forbidden. Unfortunately, in the aftermath of Mohammed's death and the murder of his family (House Hashim) by the intellectual ancestors of present day bin Ladenites, Islam was transformed into a military empire.

Why'd they murder the Prophet's household? Becuase they forbade the use of Jihad as a tool of conquest.

[coolworx]

"IMO this "religion" is a political movement based on lies. (ie: There are virgins in paradise for you if you kill your sorry self.)"

Just as the Crusades were a political movement. Or the Spanish Inquisition OR the missionary/military campaigns of post Columbian Christianity.

This is a very very old story where the specific religions may come and go but the gist remains the same. Totalitarian rule in the name of God.