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The Middle Eastern connection to Oklahoma City: NEW ARTICLE
The Indianpolis Star ^ | 02/17/02 | another view: jim crogan

Posted on 02/18/2002 5:30:48 PM PST by RaceBannon

Edited on 05/07/2004 6:26:29 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Ever since the country was savagely attacked on Sept. 11, the FBI has relentlessly investigated flight schools, airports, universities, mosques, Middle Eastern charities and Muslim communities, looking for connections to al-Qaida or other jihadist groups.

The only stone, it seems, the bureau hasn't been willing to turn over is its own investigation into the Oklahoma City bombing. Presumably, that's because the 1995 terrorist attack was the exclusive work of homegrown extremists Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. Or was it?


(Excerpt) Read more at indystar.com ...


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Jihad In America. When did it begin?
1 posted on 02/18/2002 5:30:49 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon
Much of this has been alleged for years.

Not sure we'll ever know the full truth.

2 posted on 02/18/2002 5:32:55 PM PST by El Sordo
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To: El Sordo
Is the mainstream media finally noticing??
3 posted on 02/18/2002 5:38:10 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon
The one thing that has always bugged me was how quickly they caught McVeigh. It almost seems like he wanted to be caught, and perhaps was willing to take the fall for a larger cause, to give the FBI somebody to investigate. Anybody else ever wonder this?
4 posted on 02/18/2002 5:42:32 PM PST by TrappedInLiberalHell
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
Yes. The "dark-haired" olive complected man whose composite was initially one of the men being sought in the early days of the investigation, was never talked about once McVeigh was caught.
5 posted on 02/18/2002 5:47:26 PM PST by all4one
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To: RaceBannon;OKCSubmariner;*OKCbombing
Bump List
6 posted on 02/18/2002 5:52:24 PM PST by Free the USA
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
Yes. I have wondered the same things.
7 posted on 02/18/2002 5:55:06 PM PST by proudofthesouth
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To: RaceBannon
I doubt it.
8 posted on 02/18/2002 5:55:58 PM PST by El Sordo
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To: El Sordo
Not sure we'll ever know the full truth.

Terry Nichols knows the truth... It's just a matter of beating it out of him.

9 posted on 02/18/2002 5:57:26 PM PST by LouD
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To: RaceBannon
I never gave the subject much thought untill I came here in November and read some of the threads. But I always thought it was funny just how quick they stuck the old needle in Mcveigh.

Most people have a lot longer wait.

10 posted on 02/18/2002 6:02:28 PM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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To: RaceBannon
... still waitiing for hard evidence to roll in ...

Funny - Oklahoma Jones with his millions spent in defending McVeigh couldn't find ANYTHING either ...

Anybody here, by chance, read Tim's book?

11 posted on 02/18/2002 6:03:44 PM PST by _Jim
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To: RaceBannon
Here's what Oklahoma Jones threw up against the wall - HOPING it would stick:
IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT
TIMOTHY JAMES McVEIGH,
Petitioner-Defendant,

OVERVIEW

The McVeigh defense, based upon the material provided to it, suggests the following hypothesis:

A foreign power, probably Iraq, but not excluding the possibility of another foreign state, planned a terrorist attack(s) in the United States and that one of those targets was the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. The Murrah Building was chosen either because of lack of security (i.e. it was a "soft target"), or because of available resources such as Iraqi POW's who had been admitted into the United States were located in Oklahoma City, or possibly because the location of the building was important to American neo-Nazis such as those individuals who supported Richard Snell who was executed in Arkansas on April 19, 1995.

... snip ...

The plan was arranged for a Middle Eastern bombing engineer to engineer the bomb in such a way that it could be carefully transported and successfully detonated. There is no reported incident of neo-Nazis or extreme right-wing militants in this country exploding any bomb of any significant size let alone one to bring down a nine (9) story federal building and kill 168 persons. In fact, not even members of the left-wing militant groups such as the Weatherman were ever able to accomplish anything of this magnitude.

This terrorist attack was "contracted out" to persons whose organization and ideology was friendly to policies of the foreign power and included dislike and hatred of the United States government itself, and possibly included was a desire for revenge against the United States, with possible anti-black and anti-semitic overtones. Because Iraq had tried a similar approach in 1990, but had been thwarted by Syrian intelligence information given to the United States, this time the information was passed through an Iraqi intelligence base in the Philippines.

Operating out of the Philippines as a base, the state-sponspored [sic] terrorists, with the Murrah Building already chosen ...

Excerpted from:

http://www.newnetizen.com/archives/okc1.htm


12 posted on 02/18/2002 6:07:56 PM PST by _Jim
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To: El Sordo
Not sure we'll ever know the full truth.

Yup...Ashcroft sure has been a great AG..huh?.
14 posted on 02/18/2002 6:13:33 PM PST by wheezer
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To: LouD
I'd like to volunteer for that duty. Let's see, I'll need pliers, razors, alcohol...
15 posted on 02/18/2002 6:14:40 PM PST by Glock17
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To: SpeaksTruthToPower
AND your hard evidence is ?????

The only hard evidence in these cases leads to some fairly pedestrian sources (OKC: McVeigh and Nichols, TWA800: a failed forward cargo bay door, et cetra) ...

16 posted on 02/18/2002 6:17:01 PM PST by _Jim
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To: RaceBannon
"Jihad In America. When did it begin?"

That is a good question, which will probably never be answered.

I used to pass over articles like this, but anymore, anything is possible.

17 posted on 02/18/2002 6:17:16 PM PST by Liberty Teeth
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
-there are many theories about this. One-I'm not sure of obviously but it's intriguing-is that mc veigh never left government service in actuality, he got false flag 'recruited" into undercover work-he thought. Instead, he was used as a willing dupe, thinking he was part of a sting operation. Then it went off. whoops. He gets caught, puts up zero fight-totally out of character for an alleged us hater and etc, the "mastermind" who thunked all this stuff up. Totally. Wouldn't it stand to some sort of reason that a trained army gunfighter, who just blew up a building full of people, would have had like 18 machine guns and grenade launchers and other assorted tools of mayhem whatnots in his 'escape" vehicle and would have fought it out rather than being taken? He just pulls over like joe sheepish commuter-man speeding to work and gets arrested? And his escape vehicle has *no license plate* and so to avoid suspicion he speeds away like 20 or 30 MPH over the limit? We are supposed to believe this terrorist mastermind figured out this was the "cool" way to make an escape and not get caught. Yep, ok, all rightee..... Then he apparently confesses. Again, why didn't he just shutup or cuss them out constantly instead? A confession is again out of character for someone committed to some sort of "cause". At the most you might have expected a 'I don't recognize your authority over me", or " I'm a POW, treat me like one" or something like that. Nope, he just willingly tells them a nice tidy neat story, la da da dee dah, here ya go feds.... more uh huh...

Maybe he was assured that he would be spirited away into a witness protection program. Maybe he was told the sting operation got screwed up, just wait, it will get "fixed" up somehow. Perhaps. Maybe they threatened his relatives-his sister actually- with physical harm and a death sentence fedlaw prosecution the same as he was getting assured of constantly if he didn't take the fall. Perhaps. Maybe he was drugged silly stupid after the arrest and had many days straight of the same thing broadcast into his ears along with the classic "no sleep" routine and no clocks and a constant light.. perhaps.

Only reality so far is that there is definetly a connection with middle easterners, and surprise, they-the feds- certainly are in no hurry to seem to want to find out. It's been years now, case closed according to them. Uh huh.

That's the real suspicious part, and what constitutes the "abuse by government" that needs investigating and exposing. To me, this case would be like if they busted a street dealer and started bragging about capturing the entire medellin cartel. It don't compute, never has.

18 posted on 02/18/2002 6:35:59 PM PST by zog
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To: zog
-there are many theories about this. One-I'm not sure of obviously but it's intriguing-is tha ...

On the other hand, MAYBE it's JUST as he explained it (he was totally fed up with what he BELIEVED to be abuses of citizens by gov't) ...

19 posted on 02/18/2002 6:42:20 PM PST by _Jim
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To: RaceBannon
Osama bin Laden
In a Declaration of Jihad dated Aug. 23, 1996, bin Laden publicly challenged the United States for the first time.

Declaration of Jihad dated Aug. 23, 1996

20 posted on 02/18/2002 6:52:42 PM PST by philman_36
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