Orthodox Jews Mass Protest Against the State of Israel

natureikarta ^ | 12 February, 2002

[Sam_Watkins]

Estimated 20,000 Orthodox Jews demonstrating on Tuesday February 12th, in front of the Israeli Consulate in New York City, organized by the Central Rabbinical Congress of USA and Canada, to voice their opposition to the existence of the state of Israel, their suppression of religion and brutal treatment of religious people.

The posters read as follows: [L-R] "Israel" dos not represent world Jewry
Rabbinical leaders fought Zionism since its inception
Authentic Rabbis always opposed Zionism and the State of Israel
Zionism have no right to rule over any part of the holy land
No doubt! Herzl's dream was a catastrophe for Jews
Zionism stole the name of Jews
"Israel" dos not represent world Jewry
Jews mourn 53 years existence of "Israel"
True Jews will never recognize Israel
Torah Jewry is united against Zionism & the State of Israel
Zionist ideology opposes the Creator
Oh No! Zionism will never succeed
We are against "Israel" because we are Jews
Zionism and Judaism are extreme opposites
Background sign: Israeli government: stop oppressing religious Jewry in the State of Israel

[OldFriend]

Thanks for helping to enlighten those who like to make judgements without the facts.

[Askel5]

However, holding Israel to a standard of perfection and absolute "morality" that is not at the same time demanded of the Palestinians or any other neighboring Arab nation is indeed subjective, insane, and anti-Jewish.

I would never think of holding the Israelis to a higher standard than so-called "subhuman animals".

Alouette ... I judge acts on their essentially Good or essentially Evil nature. This is one reason I'm so dead against what I call the "alchemy of pragmatism".

We're all human beings, Alouette, and -- though some of us may have been subjected to the conditioning and hatred and ideological oppression that deforms our consciences -- we do have God's law written on our hearts.

We all know right from wrong. It's up to us to hold each other to that minimum standard ... regardless the circumstances.

[Askel5]

I hope you don't mind me responding to this. The answer to your question is "yes". For example, I criticize the State of Israel frequently for not exterminating terrorists. My concern is the preservation of Jewish life and faith. Criticism of Israel which is based on this concern is NOT anti-Semitic.

Fair enough. Thanks for your reply, BenF.

[Cachelot]

Just because you like to call all critics of the war criminal Sharon

As you know, odie, the last ones of any note who called Sharon a "war criminal" got a smack in a NY court. Must be some other crime you're thinking about. Hipcrime? :)

[Nix 2]

(Does that go for all your handles or just "Nix 2"?

Bashing, Askel?

you'd not begin by summarily categorize all criticism of Israel as purely subjective and likely "anti-semite

I didn't do that. You SAID I did that. Word games. Got no time for them.

[Askel5]

Criticism of Israel which is based on this concern is NOT anti-Semitic.

On second thought, your post raises some questions for me. I'll see if I can't get them perfectly straight and run them past you at some slow moment or another. Regards.

[Askel5]

I haven't seen any purely objective criticism of israel in all the time I've been here.

Those are your words.

If this doesn't mean that all criticism of Israel has been tainted with subjectivity, what does it mean?

I apologize for jumping to the conclusion that "subjective" necessarily means "anti-semite".

I guess I'm stumped at what exactly would cause a post to be less than objective besides that bugaboo "anti-semitism". Care to enlighten me with a couple of examples?

[Justin Raimondo]

"... several speakers urged the mass expulsion of Palestinians from Israel's occupied territories."

Ethnic cleansing, anyone? It's disgusting that someone could openly advocate such a vile thing -- and utterly revolting that someone could post this on FR without a "barf alert". Have you no shame, veronica/GOPgal?

[a_witness]

No their aren't. That would preclude their being Christian.

Really ?
Which of the thousands of denominations and cults that claim the name will you eliminate ?

So this is a cult of Jews who hate Israel. The danger is that their cult be used to kill more Jews in the land of Israel and in the Diaspora.

[Askel5]

Just checked your homepage, btw.

Lol ... you're also Frostfire?

I was referring simply to your being NixNatAVanGInDaBurgh. (With whom I've also talked.)

Handle was too long? =)

[Alouette]

Actually this link you posted is from a rather pointed article detailing the animus of the secular Israeli leftists for the entire spectrum of religious Jewry.

[Askel5]

Hey ... thanks very much for the context.

[beowolf]

It's disgusting that someone could openly advocate such a vile thing --

Hmmm....the palestinians ( that you champion ) in their Charter advocate the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Israel...their children are taught the same in school...the adults actively practice it by indiscriminate killing of civilians by any means possible. And, yet, you decry that a pro-Israeli might say, not practice, the same.

The smell of your hypocrisy reminds of the dead bodies that your palestinians like to dance over.

[Alouette]

thanks very much for the context.

This is an Orthodox Zionist site.

[Demidog]

Which of the thousands of denominations and cults that claim the name will you eliminate ?

Any that claims he didn't actually exist. Hope that helps. And Jews hating the STATE of Israel are not anti-Semites.

[Cachelot]

Ethnic cleansing, anyone?

Soap on a rope, Justin? Dunno if you can get any "ethnic" ones, though :)).

[Askel5]

I appreciate the insight as well.

Just found out that the mother of a very good friend of mine just passed away. Please keep her (and him) in your prayers.

She was a saint but I know he's hurting. Thanks.

[Righty1]

Suicidal?

[dennisw]

"... several speakers urged the mass expulsion of Palestinians from Israel's occupied territories."

Ethnic cleansing, anyone? It's disgusting that someone could openly advocate such a vile thing -- and utterly revolting that someone could post this on FR

 

BAWAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!  ROTFLOL!!!
You ought to see what your darling Muslim JIhadists have to say about the Jews of Israel. But then what do you care since you are usually busy promoting the same program the Islamics have for Israel. Osama Bin Laden would love your posts here that deal with the MidEast. You and the Jihadists think alike about Israel.

http://toogoodreports.com/column/narrett/101200.htm

 

No, it´s no surprise to anyone paying attention. On May 19, the Imam ranted from the mosque that trespasses on the Temple Mount, "the Mosque will be liberated only through armies that will pound the earth to powder, that will behead the unbelievers and their agents. Jerusalem will return to Muslims as the capital of an Islamic Khilafah State that will tread on the heads of Europe, Russia and the U.S. Read history and you will see wars after wars between Islam and unbelievers that will continue till the day of doom." Is there a reporter with the integrity to confront would-be Senator Rodham, Mr. Gore or Lieberman about this perspective on Jerusalem? Does it lead them to re-asses their commitment to the "Oslo process?"

 

 

 

Special Dispatch No. 138 - PA

October 14, 2000

PA TV Broadcasts call for Killing Jews and Americans Following are excerpts from a Friday sermon in the Zayed bin Sultan Aal Nahyan mosque in Gaza, broadcast live on the official Palestinian Authority television. The speaker is Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, Member of the PA appointed "Fatwa Council" and former acting Rector of the Islamic University in Gaza: "...None of the Jews refrain from committing any possible evil. If the Labor party commits the evil and the crime, the Likud party stands by it; and if the Likud party commits the evil and the crime, the Labor party stands by it.... The Jews are Jews, whether Labor or Likud... They do not have any moderates or any advocates of peace. They are all liars. They all want to distort truth, but we are in possesion of the truth." "O brother believers, the criminals, the terrorists - are the Jews, who have butchered our children, orphaned them, widowed our women and desecrated our holy places and sacred sites. They are the terrorists. They are the ones who must be butchered and killed, as Allah the Almighty said: 'Fight them: Allah will torture them at your hands, and will humiliate them and will help you to overcome them, and will relieve the minds of the believers...." "O brothers in belief, this is the case of the Jews and their habitual conduct, and what happened yesterday, and has been going on for two weeks, and before that for many years, and which will be repeated in future years unless we stand up like men and unless we have the known Muslim position, [the position] of those who wage Jihad in the path of Allah, those who defend their rights and who sacrifice all that is dear to them." "O brothers in belief, the beautiful bride has a costly price and dowry.... Our bride is paradise, o brothers in belief. ...The cost and the dowry of this bride, the dowry of this paradise, is that we fight in the path of Allah, and kill and be killed." "Allah has purchased from the believers their persons and their property in return for the promise that they shall have paradise, for they fight in the cause of Allah, and they slay the enemy and are slain. This is a promise that He [Allah] has made incumbent upon Himself, as set out in the Torah, the Gospel, and the Koran..." "...We say to the Jews, and we say to Clinton, and we say to all those who supported the Jews and still cooperate with the Jews, we say to them, that this will not shake us, we are the Palestinian people, who are positioned in the land of the Isra' and Mi'raj. It will not shake a single hair of ours. Our determination will not sway. We will raise the banner of Jihad..." "...America and Europe and the world were shocked by the kidnapping of three tramps, the kidnapping of three wretched soldiers, and the killing of two in Ramallah. But their feelings were not moved, and they did not shudder when they saw the children Muhammad ad-Durrah and others - women, and men, and youths - being martyred by cannons and missiles, and all the barbaric instruments that the Jews possess." "They were moved, for the sake of five persons, and the world went into turmoil and it will not stop for Clinton or for the old hag Albright, they will not be relieved, and they will not cease to be concerned, and they will not rest until the Jews return to their families. But as for the Palestinians, as for this pure blood, it can go to Hell in the eyes of the Americans and Europe and the Jews..." "This is the truth, O Brothers in belief. From here, Allah the almighty has called upon us not to ally with the Jews or the Christians, not to like them, not to become their partners, not to support them, and not to sign agreements with them. And he who does that, is one of them, as Allah said: 'O you who believe, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies, for they are allies of one another. Who from among you takes them as allies will indeed be one of them...'" "...The Jews are the allies of the Christians, and the Christians are the allies of the Jews, despite the enmity that exists between them. The enmity between the Jews and the Christians is deep, but all of them are in agreement against the monotheists - against those who say, 'There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger,' that is - they are against you, O Muslims." "Even if an agreement of Gaza is signed - we shall not forget Haifa, and Acre, and the Galilee, and Jaffa, and the Triangle and the Negev, and the rest of our cities and villages. It is only a matter of time. The weak will not remain forever weak, and the strong will not remain forever strong... If we are weak today ... and we are not able to regain our rights, then at least we have to pass on the banner - waving high - to our children and grandchildren..." "...None of the factions is allowed to stand on the sidelines at this stage, or not to think well of avenging our pure martyrs and wounded. ...Our people must unite in one trench, and receive armaments from the Palestinian leadership, to confront the Jews. By Allah, the Jews, O brothers in belief, do not know, nor have they ever known throughout history, anything but force and Jihad in the path of Allah. The Jews are like a [gas] pedal - as long as you step on it with your foot, it doesn't move, but if you lift your foot from it, it hurts you and punishes you. This is the case of the Jews." "Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them - and those who stand by them - they are all in one trench, against the Arabs and the Muslims - because they established Israel here, in the beating heart of the Arab world, in Palestine. They created it to be the outpost of their civilization - and the vanguard of their army, and to be the sword of the West and the crusaders, hanging over the necks of the monotheists, the Muslims in these lands. They wanted the Jews to be their spearhead ..." "... Let us put our trust in Allah, close ranks, and unite our words, and the slogan of us all should be, 'Jihad! Jihad! For the sake of Palestine, and for the sake of Jerusalem and Al-Aqsa!'" "...We will not give up a single grain of soil of Palestine, from Haifa, and Jaffa, and Acre, and Mulabbas [Petah Tikva] and Salamah, and Majdal [Ashkelon], and all the land, and Gaza, and the West Bank ..." "...Allah, deal with the Jews, your enemies and the enemies of Islam. Deal with the crusaders, and America, and Europe behind them, O Lord of the worlds. ..."

 

 

[Nix 2]

Lol ... you're also Frostfire?

Yes ma'am. I certainly am. So you know that this wasn't my choice of vocations, but since Jew bashing went into overdrive here, and so much of it was astoundingly hateful, no Jew worth their salt would sit still for it without posting factual information to expose the lies for what they were.

I was referring simply to your being NixNatAVanGInDaBurgh. (With whom I've also talked.)

That you have, and as I recall, there were not many disagreements in your beliefs and mine except you come from a Christian POV and I don't. We still agree on abortion, faith, morality, and deeply held convictions. I tried to explain what Orthodoxy is and you found it not so different from your own. So why are you asking the same questions?

Handle was too long? =)

Yeah. Asked John to let me shorten it because it was too hard for some people to remember, and I got freepmail after freepmail asking me what it meant. After explaining too many times to count, I shortened it. No secret. Just shorter.
Besides, I got personal cards advertising FR as NIX. They're pretty too. Got a red, red rose on them with the Free Republic website addy. Very kewl.