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Evolution debate: State board should reject pseudoscience
Columbus Dispatch ^ | February 17, 2002 | Editorial

Posted on 02/18/2002 4:59:53 AM PST by cracker

The Dispatch tries to verify the identity of those who submit letters to the editor, but this message presented some problems. It arrived on a postcard with no return address:

Dear Representative Linda Reidelbach: Evolution is one of my creations with which I am most pleased.

It was signed, God.

The Dispatch cannot confirm that this is a divine communication, but the newspaper does endorse the sentiment it expresses: that there is room in the world for science and religion, and the two need not be at war.

The newspaper also agrees that Reidelbach, a Republican state representative from Columbus, is among the lawmakers most in need of this revelation. She is the sponsor of House Bill 481, which says that when public schools teach evolution, they also must teach competing "theories'' about the origin of life.

Reidelbach says the bill would "encourage the presentation of scientific evidence regarding the origins of life and its diversity objectively and without religious, naturalistic or philosophic bias or assumption.''

What this appears to mean is that any idea about the origin of life would be designated, incorrectly, a scientific theory and would get equal time with the genuine scientific theory known as evolution.

Those who correctly object that the creation stories of various religions are not scientific would be guilty, in the language of this bill, "of religious, naturalistic or philosophic bias or assumption.''

Never mind that science is not a bias or an assumption but simply a rigorous and logical method for describing and explaining what is observed in nature.

What Reidelbach and her co-sponsors are attempting to do is to require that science classes also teach creationism, intelligent design and related unscientific notions about the origin of life that are derived from Christian belief.

So bent are they on getting Christianity's foot in the door of science classrooms that they apparently don't mind that this bill also appears to give the green light to the creation stories of competing religions, cults and any other manifestation of belief or unbelief. Apparently, even Satanists would have their say.

But the real problem is that Reidelbach's bill would undermine science education at the very moment when Ohio should be developing a scientifically literate generation of students who can help the state succeed in 21st-century technologies and compete economically around the globe.

The fact is that religious ideas, no matter how much they are dressed up in the language of science, are not science. And subjecting students to religious ideas in a science class simply would muddle their understanding of the scientific method and waste valuable time that ought to be used to learn genuine science.

The scientific method consists of observing the natural world and drawing conclusions about the causes of what is observed. These conclusions, or theories, are subject to testing and revision as additional facts are discovered that either bolster or undermine the conclusions and theories. Scientific truth, such as it is, is constantly evolving as new theories replace or modify old ones in the light of new facts.

Religious notions of creation work in the opposite fashion. They begin with a preconceived belief -- for example, that God created all the creatures on the Earth -- and then pick and choose among the observable facts in the natural world to find those that fit. Those that don't are ignored.

The scientific approach expands knowledge about the natural world; the religious approach impedes it.

The classic example of this occurred 369 years ago when the Catholic Church forced Galileo to recant the Copernican theory that the Earth revolves around the sun. That theory contradicted the religiously based idea that man and the Earth formed the center of God's creation. Had the church's creationist view of the solar system prevailed, Ohioan Neil Armstrong never would have set foot on the moon.

Today, Copernican theory is established and acknowledged fact.

When it comes to evolution, much confusion grows out of the understanding -- or misunderstanding -- of the words theory and fact. Evolution is a theory, but one that has become so thoroughly buttressed by physical evidence that, for all intents and purposes, it is a fact. No one outside of the willfully obstinate questions the idea that new life forms evolved from older ones, a process conclusively illustrated in biology and the fossil record.

Where disagreement still exists is over how the process of evolution occurs. Scientists argue about the mechanism by which change occurs and whether the process is gradual and constant or proceeds in fits in starts. But while they debate over how evolution occurs, they do not doubt that it does occur.

Another way to understand this is to consider gravity. Everyone accepts the existence of this force, but many questions remain about just what gravity is and how it works. That scientists argue about how gravity works doesn't change the fact that gravity exists. Or, as author Stephen Jay Gould has put it, "Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome.''

Just as with gravity, evolution is a fact.

Those who persist on questioning this fact are a tiny minority, even among people of faith. But they are a loud minority and, to those not well-grounded in science, their arguments can sound reasonable, even "scientific.'' But their arguments are little more than unfounded assertions dressed up in the language of science.

This minority also insists on creating conflict between religion and science where none needs to exist. Major faiths long since have reconciled themselves to a division of labor with science. Religion looks to humankind's spiritual and moral needs, while science attends to the material ones.

The Catholic Church, which once tried to hold back the progress of science, now admits that it was wrong to suppress Galileo. More than a billion Catholics draw sustenance from their faith untroubled by the knowledge that the planet is racing around the sun.

Religion, in turn, provides spiritual and moral guideposts to decide how best to use the awesome powers that science has unlocked and placed at humankind's disposal.

Nor are scientists themselves antagonistic to religion. Albert Einstein, one of the greatest scientific geniuses in history, was deeply reverent: "My comprehension of God comes from the deeply felt conviction of a superior intelligence that reveals itself in the knowable world,'' he once said.

Others have made similar observations. The more the scientific method reveals about the intricacies of the universe, the more awestruck many scientists become.

The simplest way to reconcile religion and evolution is to accept the view propounded early last century by prominent Congregationalist minister and editor Lyman Abbott, who regarded evolution as the means God uses to create and shape life.

This view eliminates conflict between evolution and religion. It allows scientists to investigate evolution as a natural process and lets people of faith give God the credit for setting that process in motion.

As for what to do about creationism and evolution in schools, the answer is easy. Evolution should be taught in science classes. Creationism and related religiously based ideas should be taught in comparative-religion, civics and history classes.

Religion was and remains central to the American identity. It has profoundly shaped American ideals and provided the basis for its highest aspirations, from the Declaration of Independence to the civil-rights movement. There is no question that religion is a vital force and a vital area of knowledge that must be included in any complete education.

But not in the science classroom, because religion is not science. There is no such thing as Buddhist chemistry, Jewish physics or Christian mathematics.

The Earth revolves around the sun regardless of the faiths of the people whom gravity carries along for the ride. Two plus two equals four whether that sum is calculated by a Muslim or a Zoroastrian.

Reidelbach and her supporters genuinely worry that a crucial element -- moral education and appreciation of religion's role in America -- is missing in education. But they will not correct that lack by injecting pseudoscience into Ohio's science curriculum.

And Reidelbach is not the only one making this mistake. Senate Bill 222, sponsored by state Sen. Jim Jordan, R-Urbana, is equally misguided. This bill would require that science standards adopted by the State Board of Education be approved by resolution in the General Assembly. This is a recipe for disaster, injecting not only religion, but also politics, into Ohio's science classes.

These two bills should be ignored by lawmakers.

In a few months, when the State Board of Education lays out the standards for science education in Ohio's public schools, it should strongly endorse the teaching of evolution and ignore the demands of those who purvey pseudoscience.


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To: Sabertooth
Where I think the evidence gets rather thin (not that the thinness disproves evolution itself), is on the matter of what causes evolution.

My belief--completely unscientific and purely philosophical--is that God chooses to make it look random, so as to not leave His fingerprints all over the place. He does this for one purpose, and one purpose only--to not interfere with our free will.

If God were to leave definitive evidence of non-random evolution, then our ability to freely choose to serve him would not exist.

It's like this: suppose there is an elephant in the room with you. Theoretically, one has free will to say that the elephant isn't there. However, no matter how sincerely one holds the belief that there isn't an elephant in the room, the room is STILL going to be extremely crowded.

61 posted on 02/20/2002 2:03:04 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Sabertooth
Very briefly (because I am not a biologist), population genetics is controlled by a variety of mechanisms:

1. Genetic Drift - chance changes in the gene pool of a small population. This includes something called the Founder Effect where a new colony is established in a new habitat by only a few individuals and is not representative of the original population, and the Bottleneck Effect where a small number of individuals of a species survive, but again are not representative of the original population.

2. Gene Flow - a gain or loss of alleles by migration of fertile individuals between populations.

3. Mutations - changes in an organisms DNA, a relatively rare event occurring once per every 10e5 or 10e6 gametes.

4. Non-Random Mating - including inbreeding and assortative mating (based on phenotype).

5. Natural Selection - differential success in reproduction (often due to changes in environment).

62 posted on 02/20/2002 2:04:21 PM PST by Scully
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To: Poohbah
If God were to leave definitive evidence of non-random evolution, then our ability to freely choose to serve him would not exist.

An excellent point. Thank you! :)

63 posted on 02/20/2002 2:07:47 PM PST by Scully
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To: f.Christian
As a child...the sign baffled me---"Jesus Saves"---green stamps! Your will doesn't exist till then...vegetables--alfalfa sprouts!

Say what?

64 posted on 02/20/2002 2:08:18 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian
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To: Lurking Libertarian
I gave up trying to understand this guy's posts some time ago.
65 posted on 02/20/2002 2:11:13 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: f.Christian
It is possible to be a born-again Christian and a scientist who feels that evolution is the best theory we have to date to explain how life arose on our planet. The two are not mutually exclusive.
66 posted on 02/20/2002 2:14:17 PM PST by Scully
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Your will--soul--sanity doesn't exist till then...

Didn't evolution lead to the behaviorist--culture craze...B F Skinner---Dr. Liberalism/Brave New World...

create the perfect environment and we would have spontaneous happiness?

He raised his daughter in a box---she killed herself!

67 posted on 02/20/2002 2:19:09 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: lexcorp
Knowing gore3000, he'll take a look at your link and claim that evolutionists say coyotes are descended from whales. Do not underestimate the power of willful ignorance...
68 posted on 02/20/2002 2:21:29 PM PST by Junior
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To: Scully
Thomas Khun put that idea of science to rest--the grave...

putting saw dust in the drive train is a good way to unload a piece of junk...

in the paradigm shift that junk gets paved over--put in a museum--out to pasture!

69 posted on 02/20/2002 2:24:55 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: Scully
It is possible to be a born-again Christian and a scientist who feels that evolution is the best theory we have to date to explain how life arose on our planet. The two are not mutually exclusive.

If by "not mutually exclusive" you mean that the human psyche is capable of affirming two logically mutual-exclusives without being troubled by the contradiction, you of course are correct. Human mentality is capable of that, and a host of other evils. That is like saying, "It is possible to be a fiscal and social conservative who feels that a totalitarian state controlling all of human life and commerce, and crushing out every last vestige of human freedom, is the best form of government."

If, however, you mean that it can be done consistently with one's professed faith — that is, with the Bible — then you are mistaken.

Dan
Biblical Christianity message board

70 posted on 02/20/2002 2:25:30 PM PST by BibChr
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To: BibChr
New game---relief pitcher...I'm going to the showers...

I'm responsible for loading the bases--one out!

71 posted on 02/20/2002 2:29:57 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: Scully
Galapagos finches (Geospiza fortis) have been studied for years by Peter and Rosemary Grant of Princeton University. They have been studying the beak sizes of these birds relative to the amount of rainfall the islands receive annually. In wet years, finches with smaller beaks are favored because of the abundance of small, easy to crush seeds. During drought years, only larger, tougher seeds are available. Finches with small beaks are unable to open these seeds and die out, while finches with larger beaks survive. This is natural selection (or evolution).

That's microevolution. I don't believe there is any disagreement between evolutionists and creationists of the existence of such microevolution.

72 posted on 02/20/2002 2:35:48 PM PST by scripter
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To: RadioAstronomer;Sabertooth
Excellent point! The "randomness" is really a description of a population's characteristics, like height, weight or eye color. The reactions within the sex cells at the molecular level aren't random and neither is the fertilization when the sex cells join. The actions of these molecules is very specific. The mechanisms for this are just not well understood. If the mechanisms were understood, there'd be an HIV vaccine.

To Sabertooth's point about reshuffling genes, humans contain genes for gills and probably some other stuff (wings would be cool, but I don't think we could fly). Look at human embryonic developmental characteristics. But genes are added and destroyed. There are simple viral vectors for some activity and bacteria can swap DNA readily. There are also situations where DNA can become truncated. Again the processes are not well understood.

Technology has reached the point where these mechanisms can be described over the next several hundred years or less. There's a lot of data, but the procedures are becoming automated and computer power and memory are no longer a constraint. This is a key point in history where this technology can benefit us in the hands of a free people or create God knows what suffering in the hands of people like x42. As a Christian, I'm saying we're better off having this technology in the hands of people who have moral values and who value life.

73 posted on 02/20/2002 2:39:39 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Sabertooth
Good News For The Day

‘But I say to all of you: In the future, you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the mighty One.’ (Matthew 26:64)

If the universe is moral, (and the fact that such a person as Christ existed, is strong evidence that it is), then what Jesus said about himself and the future, must come true. If morality has an infinite source, and backing, then the moral excellence of Christ will ultimately triumph over evil.

I know some very agreeable people. I know some that I would call gentle giants. But their easygoing spirit is never a threat to greed and corruption. Kindness, patience, understanding, and love are not better than envy and bitterness, if they only ever exist as counterweights to their opposites. A good man who is content to coexist forever with badness, and wrong, cannot be a good man in any absolute sense.

The goodness of Jesus is surpassing because he not only sorrowed over sin, and was outraged by it, he set himself against it, and warned his enemies that by suffering for it, he would rise above it, and eliminate it.

If our universe is a moral one, then Jesus' values can never be viewed in any offhand way. Rather, he must be seen as a hazard to every act, motive, system, institution, or law, that is not in sympathy with him. A question that governments and their constituents ought to ask is: Are we making laws; invoking policies that clash with Christ and the direction of his Spirit? If so we are building badly. The universe itself will not back us. The... future belongs to Christ-and to all who follow him.

74 posted on 02/20/2002 2:41:48 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: PatrickHenry
bttt
75 posted on 02/20/2002 3:42:29 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
There is always hope. 'Crack babies' catch up.
76 posted on 02/20/2002 4:53:00 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: scripter
That's microevolution. I don't believe there is any disagreement between evolutionists and creationists of the existence of such microevolution.

This is very interesting...I wasn't aware that Creationists acknowledged any form of evolution.

Another point: if it can occur in a small, isolated society, it can occur on a larger scale as well.

77 posted on 02/20/2002 4:55:40 PM PST by Scully
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To: BibChr
If, however, you mean that it can be done consistently with one's professed faith — that is, with the Bible — then you are mistaken.

Then I am indeed a "cracked pot", because I find no contradiction between my faith and my science (and yes, I do actually read my Bible with great regularity).

78 posted on 02/20/2002 4:59:49 PM PST by Scully
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To: f.Christian
It is very sad to me, and doubtless to the Lord as well, that His children fight amongst themselves over matters unrelated to Salvation.
79 posted on 02/20/2002 5:06:32 PM PST by Scully
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To: cracker
The scientific approach expands knowledge about the natural world; the religious approach impedes it.

This is true, but it doesn't mean that a scientist has to be irreligious. It means that a scientist has to keep his religion out of his science.

80 posted on 02/20/2002 5:12:56 PM PST by VadeRetro
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