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AK-47 training held at London mosque
Guardian Unlimted ^ | February 17, 2002 | Jason Burke

Posted on 02/17/2002 2:04:49 PM PST by My Identity

British Islamic extremists have been involved in weapons training with assault rifles at a mosque in London, intelligence sources have told The Observer.

The disclosures that hardline Islamists practised with Kalashnikov AK-47s at the Finsbury Park mosque in north London underline the pivotal role that Britain has played in the recruitment of volunteers to fight alongside Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda group all over the world.

It will also intensify pressure on the Government to crack down on Islamic militants using the UK as a base.

MI5 recruited worshippers at Finsbury Park who opposed the hardline stance taken by controversial Muslim cleric Abu Hamza, who often leads prayers there, and asked them to help monitor the activities of extremists. Early last year the agents told their handlers that several groups had been taught to strip and reassemble Kalashnikovs in the mosque's basement. It was not clear if the guns were live or deactivated weapons, which can legally be owned in the UK.

Hamza, the most influential and radical of the prayer leaders at the mosque, said yesterday that, as far as he knew, no 'harmful' activities had ever taken place there. However, he admitted that he could not monitor all areas of the mosque.

Hamza, who is wanted for alleged terrorist offences in the Yemen, told The Observer that the mosque may have been the victim of a smear campaign by foreign agents. He named Algeria and Egypt as two countries particularly keen to see the mosque shut down. 'They are sending agents to cause us trouble,' he said.

Last month The Observer revealed that a video showing the execution of Algerian conscripts by hardline militants had been circulated at the mosque. Hamza denied it had been used for recruiting purposes.

However, MI5 has been told by their agents that scores of young men were being sent from the mosque for training at camps in Afghanistan. They reported that consignments of supplies including radio and telecommunications equipment were dispatched to Pakistan for eventual distribution in the Afghan training camps allied to or run by al-Qaeda. They also revealed a complex operation run by some men attending the mosque to provide volunteers with false documents. Although the men recruited by MI5 were not directly involved in the logistics of supplying overseas Mujahideen, the operation was openly talked about at the mosque.

Several men involved with the al-Qaeda group have already been linked to Finsbury Park mosque. Feroz Abbassi, a computer engineer from Croydon held by the US in Cuba, was 'indoctrinated' in the mosque, according to his parents. Jerome Courtailler, arrested in Holland for allegedly plotting to blow up the US embassy in Paris, prayed there as did Djamel Beghal, Zacarias Moussaoui and Richard Reid, all of whom have been linked to al-Qaeda by investigators.

Three former MI5 agents interviewed by The Observer said that the mosque's reputation drew radical Islamists from all over Europe. One recalled white Swedish converts to Islam who had sought out the mosque because they want to take part in 'the Jihad'.

'They got false papers from people they met at the mosque and were sent to Afghanistan via Germany,' one former agent recalled.

Senior officers with two Middle Eastern intelligence agencies based in Peshawar, the Pakistani frontier city that was until recently a major base for militant volunteers fighting alongside the Taliban and their al-Qaeda allies, said that interviews with Mujahideen arrested by Pakistani authorities over the last 18 months had revealed that many had received instruction in basic battlefield first aid from a doctor who ran lessons at the mosque. They said that consignments of medical supplies, including large quantities of antibiotics, had been sent from the UK.

Hamza yesterday denied the allegations, saying that the mosque lacked funds.

The British sources said they had told MI5 that volunteers who had fought in Afghanistan for the Taliban or for Islamic militants in Chechnya and Algeria boasted at the mosque of battles they had taken part in. Many younger worshippers were deeply impressed by the 'war stories', the men said.


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To: imam
Can it be, that it's proponents are mostly blood thirsty maniacs?
41 posted on 02/17/2002 10:29:53 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: sheik yerbouty
blood thirsty maniacs? when exactly did they become that way? after reading the quran? well the bible has more blood curling stories in a few pages then in all the quran put together. (see exodus, leviticus, deuteronomy to name just a few)
43 posted on 02/17/2002 10:37:06 PM PST by imam
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To: ml/nj
Well...we can see how gun control goes. I will bet gun control in Britian ends by 2005. If the nuts get loose, you have to have weapons to defend yourself.
44 posted on 02/17/2002 10:37:33 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: My Identity
We should have gun training in this country in American Churches and Jewish temples so we are prepared and ready for the coming civil war in American against radical Islamic fundamentalist fanatics.
45 posted on 02/17/2002 10:45:07 PM PST by ZULU
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To: ml/nj
Don't be silly. Of course they do. But the law only applies to law-abiding citizens - something like here - in New York City, New Jersey, Massachusetts and Maryland.
46 posted on 02/17/2002 10:46:44 PM PST by ZULU
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To: My Identity
"who opposed the hardline stance taken by controversial Muslim cleric Abu Hamza, who often leads prayers there, "

One more proof of the Wahhabist throathold on modern day Islam, and another connection with the anti-western oil shieks in Saudi Arabian Shiekdoms.

47 posted on 02/17/2002 10:49:04 PM PST by ZULU
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To: imam
can it be that islam is the only religon that actually makes sense

Uh, No.
48 posted on 02/17/2002 10:50:36 PM PST by My Identity
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To: imam
"ever wonder why muslims, many highly educated, are the only people willing to commit suicide for their religon?"

Easiest thing in the world to answer. The moslems believe in a phony, pagan moon god who has to be protected by mere mortal men. The true God would say, in effect "...stand back, shutup, and watch ME do the work."

49 posted on 02/17/2002 10:55:12 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: My Identity;JohnHuang2
isn't that what mosques are for?
51 posted on 02/17/2002 10:59:46 PM PST by GeronL
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To: imam
"blood thirsty maniacs? when exactly did they become that way? after reading the quran? well the bible has more blood curling stories in a few pages then in all the quran put together. (see exodus, leviticus, deuteronomy to name just a few)"

Yes, see the Bible -- because that's the only place you see the "blood curdling" events you mention WRT the Jews.

Get back with us, "imam", when Jews hijack passenger planes -- muslim planes -- then cut the pilots' throats, and fly them into skyscrapers filled with thousands of civilians "guilty" of nothing more than going to work that morning.

Your hypocrisy reeks. Go back to the foul sewer from which you slithered out. You should not defile our eyes with your obscene ravings, you lying madman.

53 posted on 02/17/2002 11:52:14 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: Yehuda
"EVERYONE KNOWS 'brave muslim' is an oxymoron."

Well, there are some truly brave muslims, the King of Jordan for instance.

The tragedy is that in most of the muslim world, courage is defined by the willingness to be reasonable, peaceable, and refuse to go along with the murderous thugs.

Why does something so apparently simple as being an honest, kind person take courage in that world?

Because the "holy men" will kill you for being a decent human being, that's why.

54 posted on 02/17/2002 11:57:14 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: willyone
Why are you afraid to spell out God? What gives?

I think it has to do with not wanting to destroy anything where the name is written. Whatever, I do it out of respect for the people who would rather not have the name written out.

ML/NJ

56 posted on 02/18/2002 3:23:51 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Yehuda
pardon my buttinsky - THIS is what mosques are for:

A mosque a minute ... until we're done.

ML/NJ

57 posted on 02/18/2002 3:25:55 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: My Identity
BUMP
58 posted on 02/18/2002 6:51:18 AM PST by truthandlife
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To: My Identity
I think I'll ask my Baptist preacher this week if we can have M-16 training this Sunday.
60 posted on 02/18/2002 7:50:08 AM PST by Intimidator
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