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Police search neighbor's home again [Wednesday Night - Missing San Diego Girl Case]
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | February 13, 2002 (2/12 evening)

Posted on 02/13/2002 9:45:20 PM PST by Shermy

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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Did you hear that guy on KFI's John and Ken show?

Did you hear John call Mrs Van Dam, "Patsy Ramsey" on friday I think it was. I nearly choked on my carne asada when I heard that.

21 posted on 02/13/2002 11:04:29 PM PST by Uni-Poster
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Earlier on KOGO 600 radio, reporter Wade Douglas mentioned at the news hour between 6-8pm that the authorities removed a computer from the Van Dam residence tonight. Now don't you think that is a little fishy?
22 posted on 02/13/2002 11:12:59 PM PST by lady reaper
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
(Reaching for soapbox)

2 things really get me about this case

1) Mom deflects any lifestyle question by saying it has no bearing on the case.
How does she know? Maybe someone they had over for a pokefest last month may be involved. Until they have the proof and an arrest, it is a possibility

2) The picture that is circulating the world of Danielle was taken the day she dissappeared for a passport for a trip to Italy the following week. I have yet to meet a person who could get a passport in 5 days. Seems convienient that they just happened to get a picture the day she dissappeared.

I have many more questions about inconsistant stories, timelines, etc., but Ill leave them for now.

23 posted on 02/13/2002 11:13:28 PM PST by Uni-Poster
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To: Uni-Poster
"When I see the parents on tv, it makes me sick because I would not be so calm and blase about it."

Well however you were "about it" some judgmental people would find something suspicious about it so that means nothing.

"Of course I also wouldn't hire a PR firm, have orgies on my garage,"

They were on the garage roof? What orgies are you talking about?

"or not realize my child was gone until 930 am."

So if a kid sleeps in in the morning they should be checked on every 15 minutes from 6:00 AM on or so??

"I caught a glimpse of mom in the background of a live shot on the news the other day, and she was primping her hair in the reflection of the car window before going out front."

I guess she should forever refrain from combing her hair or whatever for the rest of her life. Hmmmmm. Interesting concept.

"make me very skeptical. The whole story of that night just sounds fishy".

That's not the only thing that's fishy.

24 posted on 02/13/2002 11:16:56 PM PST by Greg Weston
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To: Greg Weston
Since you have an answer to everything, why don't you add some opinions instead of smartass remarks. Are you capable of it?
25 posted on 02/13/2002 11:24:19 PM PST by Uni-Poster
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To: Uni-Poster, Greg Weston
Either of you know why this is being posted here? Is this girl someone that we're supposed to know, or what?
26 posted on 02/13/2002 11:29:35 PM PST by Sandy
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To: Sandy
Has just become national news, also was on America's Most Wanted. There are several different threads about it the last week on FR. She disappeared from her home sometime between bedtime and the following morning. Has caused a big stir, especially in San Diego, because of allegations of the parents supposed lifestyle, and the fact that the mom was at a bar that night and the suspect was also there. They also supposedly danced together.
27 posted on 02/13/2002 11:35:19 PM PST by Uni-Poster
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To: Shermy
Come on!...Yeah the little girl is missing and most likely dead....And yeah, it sux that it happened....But think about it!-Where were mom and dad?....

Dad tucked the kids in and grabbed a nap while waiting for 'mom' to bring home her sex toys...then they played behind locked doors while their daughter was being raped and killed...'Dad' either sent or allowed the mother of his children out to party and troll for sex partners while he waited at home to prey upon her catch-napped to preserve his energy....expecting her to drag home others like her-introduce then into their home and while the children slept-then engage in sex with strangers....

Why is the world shocked that their daughter is a victim?...When you open the doors of your house to a depraved world, all may visit....So why cry about the outcome?

What we have here are two very neglectful parents....And one very tortured little girl.

Place the blame where it belongs.

Parents have priorities....'Swinging singles' don't belong in a home with children....Mom can spend her time and energy teaching her kids to read....cleaning their house....making their meals...Dad can provide a safe place for them all if he were to bolt the door against such dangers...Both can set standards of behavior that protect the family against all possible dangers from the outside world...Yeah, those dangers exist, even right next door...

Come on, where is the public outcry?

Where are the real parents who still have the instincts parents need?

28 posted on 02/14/2002 12:37:25 AM PST by Tarzantheape
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To: Tarzantheape
Dad tucked the kids in and grabbed a nap while waiting for 'mom' to bring home her sex toys...then they played behind locked doors while their daughter was being raped and killed...'Dad' either sent or allowed the mother of his children out to party and troll for sex partners while he waited at home to prey upon her catch-napped to preserve his energy....expecting her to drag home others like her-introduce then into their home and while the children slept-then engage in sex with strangers....

Source??

29 posted on 02/14/2002 1:21:23 AM PST by Greg Weston
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To: Uni-Poster
My opinion...hmmmmm. About the innuendo and salacious speculation in this case? The parents "strangeness"? The "guilt" of somebody??
30 posted on 02/14/2002 1:29:30 AM PST by Greg Weston
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To: Greg Weston
fishy from partner swapping yuk
31 posted on 02/14/2002 2:17:22 AM PST by oceanperch
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To: Uni-Poster
I have yet to meet a person who could get a passport in 5 days

Hi! Now you have! Believe it or not, I got my passport issued overnight... Bottom line is, you can pay a higher fee for a 'rush' job... :0)

32 posted on 02/14/2002 3:58:32 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks
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To: lady reaper
The investigators are looking for evidence of perversions involving a minor. Their computer could be full of that kind of crap. Danielle knew something, was forced to do something she didn't want to do, and threatened to talk. Mom goes out at 9 pm to party with friends, Dad puts kids to bed around 10:30. Mom returns at 2:00 with friends and Dad joins them for pizza until 3:00 a.m.. (That in itself is unusual behavior of parents with three kids (spouse-swapping or not). What, the kids get up at 8 or 9 a.m. and fix their own breakfast while mom and pop sleep it off until noon?) Before they go to bed, they notice red lights blinking on a burglar alarm panel, and discover a sliding glass door at the back of the house and a side garage door open. (How many friends were at the house? Did they leave together, out the front door, back door?) The alarm did not sound, and the couple closed the doors and went to bed. (There was little crime in the area and they figured it was tripped by one of the "friends" going home from the party, so ignored it.) They did not check on the kids before they went to bed. But someone slipped into the house while the party was going on, and slipped out with Danielle - ergo the doors open, alarm blinking. It was set up in advance - my bets are on Mom.
33 posted on 02/14/2002 4:44:34 AM PST by fivecatsandadog
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To: fivecatsandadog; Uni-Poster; lady reaper
It was set up in advance - my bets are on Mom.

I think that a lot of things are fishy. Maybe it's unfair to judge the parents by their behavior, but it can hardly be denied that certain things make no sense.

Why would one even have an alarm system if when triggered it is ignored?

After the reports of possible child pornography in the possession of Westerfield and now the reported removal of a tripod, I'm beginning to think that may be an important clue.

One theory that crosses my mind is that perhaps the mom and Westerfield together could have possibly involved Danielle in pornography. Even if the mom is not directly involved, she may have been instrumental in contributing to the child's vulnerability.

It might explain why there is little reaction on her part when questioned about Westerfield. I think they might both be responsible in some way.

34 posted on 02/14/2002 6:52:09 AM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Chad Fairbanks; Uni-poster
I hadn't heard about the passport, but that raises another question: why the urgency to travel to Italy in the middle of the school semester?
35 posted on 02/14/2002 6:55:25 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: Shermy
The whole story might not be told because they're innocent, but tried to hide or spin other things, and under closer examination it looks fishy.

Just curious, but you have already tried and convicted the Ramseys in your other posts, yet this couple you have deemed innocent. Why? No offense, but it does seem a bit hypocritical.

36 posted on 02/14/2002 8:22:54 AM PST by dougherty
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To: Tarzantheape
then they played behind locked doors while their daughter was being raped and killed

The girl is still missing, so how do you know she was raped and killed? If this happened, it seems like something only the perp would know. Is there something you want to get off your chest?

37 posted on 02/14/2002 9:43:13 AM PST by murdoog
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To: Shermy
From our CA friends ... any news today? (mid-day Thursday)
38 posted on 02/14/2002 12:39:45 PM PST by zeaal
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To: zeaal
No. Just reports of last night's search.

Here's a news story with a good video link worth watching, shows, for one, the cops taking out evidence from the neighbor's home:

Parents plead for search to continue

Hit link "Watch it in the feed room"

39 posted on 02/14/2002 12:50:16 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
I think that those of us in the San Diego area have probably seen more of the van Dams than national news watchers. I get a real squirmy feeling when I see them.

Me too. My "BS Detector" went off shortly after Danielle disappeared when the story came out about Westerfield running into Mom at the pool hall and dancing with her ... then she flat out denies it. The parent's interview on Larry King Live this week was odd at best. I'm guessing but I wouldn't be surprised if the parents AND Westerfield are involved in this together.

40 posted on 02/14/2002 10:18:09 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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