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To: fortheDeclaration; Jerry_M; RnMomof7; the_doc; OrthodoxPresbyterian
Can I define Total Depravity? Sure can. I am waiting for you to define it since you are the one defending it!

What is there for me to defend? You are not arguing against my beliefs. You are arguing against what you think are my beliefs. In fact, all you are doing is slandering me personally, which is telling of the bankrupt nature of your position. I doubt that you can accurately express my belief about Total Depravity.

What I am going to presume is to have you show me where in that article is a clear case made for Calvinism, particulary the part that I highlighted! Not what you thought but what was said - fortheDeclaration
Proof from your own words that you don't even have a clue what a Calvinist believes. I have posted our beliefs. I know exactly what I wrote. I have nothing to defend as you can't even declare my position or even respect me enough to allow that it is my postion. And you can't even begin to refute what you can't even state.
99 posted on 02/17/2002 1:02:01 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
This exchange is funny!!
103 posted on 02/17/2002 1:47:32 PM PST by the_doc
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To: CCWoody
What is there for me to defend? You are not arguing against my beliefs. You are arguing against what you think are my beliefs. In fact, all you are doing is slandering me personally, which is telling of the bankrupt nature of your position. I doubt that you can accurately express my belief about Total Depravity. What I am going to presume is to have you show me where in that article is a clear case made for Calvinism, particulary the part that I highlighted! Not what you thought but what was said - fortheDeclaration Proof from your own words that you don't even have a clue what a Calvinist believes. I have posted our beliefs. I know exactly what I wrote. I have nothing to defend as you can't even declare my position or even respect me enough to allow that it is my postion. And you can't even begin to refute what you can't even state.

Woody, you do not understand what you believe!

The fact is the passages I highlighted any Arminian could 'amen' to. Now, where is the Total Depravity in a passage that quotes scripture that puts if as the requirement for something to get accomplished. According to Calvinism there are no If's everything has been Decreed and directly willed by God.

What is this 'respect' stuff? Respect is something you earn by being honest.

104 posted on 02/17/2002 1:51:26 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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