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What is there for me to defend? You are not arguing against my beliefs. You are arguing against what you think are my beliefs. In fact, all you are doing is slandering me personally, which is telling of the bankrupt nature of your position. I doubt that you can accurately express my belief about Total Depravity. What I am going to presume is to have you show me where in that article is a clear case made for Calvinism, particulary the part that I highlighted! Not what you thought but what was said - fortheDeclaration Proof from your own words that you don't even have a clue what a Calvinist believes. I have posted our beliefs. I know exactly what I wrote. I have nothing to defend as you can't even declare my position or even respect me enough to allow that it is my postion. And you can't even begin to refute what you can't even state.

Woody, you do not understand what you believe!

The fact is the passages I highlighted any Arminian could 'amen' to. Now, where is the Total Depravity in a passage that quotes scripture that puts if as the requirement for something to get accomplished. According to Calvinism there are no If's everything has been Decreed and directly willed by God.

What is this 'respect' stuff? Respect is something you earn by being honest.

This exchange is funny!! - the_doc

Isn't it! Just look at his reply.

Woody, you do not understand what you believe! - fortheDeclaration

I propose a new way of dealing with fortheDeclaration. Let's not debate him any more until he manages to define our position in what he is attempting to refute. He has been around for long enough to understand what we believe.

I suggest that we simply explain that he has yet to state our position. It is really an issue of the will in that he does not want to even try. It is a depravity thing, isn't it. BTW, here is what he doesn't understand. Can you see the presentation of Total Depravity in this passage of mine:

Christ does not exist to make much about man; to crawl up to him and beg that he should accept Him as Savior lest He invade the citadel of man's free will. Quite the contrary, we exist to make much of and enjoy Him. It is demanded of us. And He has made it so easy. If we would only cast our burdens on Him we would be sustained by Him (Psalm 55:22). If we would only call upon Him we would be delivered and we would Glorify Him (Psalm 50:15). He takes great delight in the display of His grace upon those who delight in Him:

Although not expressly stated, I have explained that it is in the same sense as this verse:

John 5:40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.