This exchange is funny!! - the_docIsn't it! Just look at his reply.
Woody, you do not understand what you believe! - fortheDeclaration
I propose a new way of dealing with fortheDeclaration. Let's not debate him any more until he manages to define our position in what he is attempting to refute. He has been around for long enough to understand what we believe.
I suggest that we simply explain that he has yet to state our position. It is really an issue of the will in that he does not want to even try. It is a depravity thing, isn't it. BTW, here is what he doesn't understand. Can you see the presentation of Total Depravity in this passage of mine:
Christ does not exist to make much about man; to crawl up to him and beg that he should accept Him as Savior lest He invade the citadel of man's free will. Quite the contrary, we exist to make much of and enjoy Him. It is demanded of us. And He has made it so easy. If we would only cast our burdens on Him we would be sustained by Him (Psalm 55:22). If we would only call upon Him we would be delivered and we would Glorify Him (Psalm 50:15). He takes great delight in the display of His grace upon those who delight in Him:Although not expressly stated, I have explained that it is in the same sense as this verse:
John 5:40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
Well, you don't!
I propose a new way of dealing with fortheDeclaration. Let's not debate him any more until he manages to define our position in what he is attempting to refute. He has been around for long enough to understand what we believe.
Don't do me any favors! All I have seen from you guys is lies and evasion.
I suggest that we simply explain that he has yet to state our position. It is really an issue of the will in that he does not want to even try. It is a depravity thing, isn't it. BTW, here is what he doesn't understand. Can you see the presentation of Total Depravity in this passage of mine:
Yes, lets take a look shall we?
Christ does not exist to make much about man; to crawl up to him and beg that he should accept Him as Savior lest He invade the citadel of man's free will. Quite the contrary, we exist to make much of and enjoy Him. It is demanded of us. And He has made it so easy. If we would only cast our burdens on Him we would be sustained by Him (Psalm 55:22). If. we would only call upon Him we would be delivered and we would Glorify Him (Psalm 50:15). He takes great delight in the display of His grace upon those who delight in Him:
Although not expressly stated, I have explained that it is in the same sense as this verse: John 5:40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
There it is, you liar! Although not expressly stated!. That is what I was looking for, not what you thought but what you wrote!
There is one part that troubles me however. You quote Piper:
God had given the impression that his honor and glory were not of infinite worth
Perhaps he could have stated this differently or perhaps I'm misunderstanding something?