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To: CCWoody,Rnmomof7,George W.Bush, the Doc, OrthodoxPresbyterian
Isn't it! Just look at his reply. Woody, you do not understand what you believe! - fortheDeclaration

Well, you don't!

I propose a new way of dealing with fortheDeclaration. Let's not debate him any more until he manages to define our position in what he is attempting to refute. He has been around for long enough to understand what we believe.

Don't do me any favors! All I have seen from you guys is lies and evasion.

I suggest that we simply explain that he has yet to state our position. It is really an issue of the will in that he does not want to even try. It is a depravity thing, isn't it. BTW, here is what he doesn't understand. Can you see the presentation of Total Depravity in this passage of mine:

Yes, lets take a look shall we?

Christ does not exist to make much about man; to crawl up to him and beg that he should accept Him as Savior lest He invade the citadel of man's free will. Quite the contrary, we exist to make much of and enjoy Him. It is demanded of us. And He has made it so easy. If we would only cast our burdens on Him we would be sustained by Him (Psalm 55:22). If. we would only call upon Him we would be delivered and we would Glorify Him (Psalm 50:15). He takes great delight in the display of His grace upon those who delight in Him:

Although not expressly stated, I have explained that it is in the same sense as this verse: John 5:40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

There it is, you liar! Although not expressly stated!. That is what I was looking for, not what you thought but what you wrote!

135 posted on 02/17/2002 8:53:34 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: the_doc; RnMomof7; Jerry_M; OrthodoxPresbyterian
There it is, you liar! Although not expressly stated!. That is what I was looking for, not what you thought but what you wrote! - fortheDeclaration (who can't even express our view of Total Depravity and therefore calls me a liar because he can't see it in the post)

It does seem to be at the point now where ftd is beyond doing anything but "spewing" on this thread.

147 posted on 02/18/2002 5:46:13 AM PST by CCWoody
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