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The Effects of Regeneration

[RnMomof7]

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[elbucko]

I know what the Calvinists did in Scotland during the time of the "Covenanters". My grandfather was from Scotland, and what you're sellin', laddie, I'm no buyin'!

[jude24]

So true...

the ultimate goal of the Christian life is to glorify God thru service....

but the unrepentant unbeliever is going to glorify God thru his judgment.

God WILL be glorified. I pray that I, in some small way, can be a means of use. "A vessel of honor" to glorify the great house of God.

Back to organic chem... right now, its glorifying God thru my studies.

[ppaul]

For later reference - thanks.

[DeaconBenjamin]

I love the scene in Branagh's Henry V where, after the battle of Agincourt, there is the beautiful singing of Psalm 115 ("Non nobis domine").

[sea oats]

A "for later reading" bump.

[thinkaboutit]

Hey you did good. That is really beautiful especially where Jesus will serve us. The realization that God serves us in so many ways really is more than I can comprehend. The fact that I can never give more to God than He gives to me is awesome. I love having Jesus as my Saviour.

[NATE4"ONE NATION"]

Hey Mom. Dangerous move bringing me to this one. :o)

Lets all break this down, because it is the puzzle piece which explains the nature of the "glory" and "bodies" talked of in the "coming" (appearing/presence).

His coming is the revelation of His glory (1 Peter 4:13) and every saint will be a partaker of the glory to be revealed (1 Peter 5:1).
Well siad. Notice:
1. His "coming" will be His glory and the saints will partake.
What does this mean?

The joy of the saints will be in the revealed Glory of Christ (1 Peter 4:13). He shall come on that Day to be glorified in His saints and to be admired in all those who believe (1 Thess 1:10).
AH!!
He is glorified in US! His church! He will be admired by all who believe. Wouldn't He be admired by all? Such a coming would demand all to admire Him wouldn't it?

The church admires Christ. Christ is glorified through His church, because we live in glory. In the constant witness of His changing life. He IS glorified THROUGH His saints. The "whole world" see's His glory because the "whole earth" see's His church.

The Glory of the Lord will be salvation (Hebrews 9:28).
Well if that last statement did not simplify it all what does?
His salvation and regeneration of people who were lost, sinners, unworthy, etc IS THE GLORY!!
Read Hebrews and 1 Cor 15. Paul did not count himself as fully saved until the "Second coming". It was only after the "shattering of the power of the holy people" (AD 70) (Daniel 12:7) could the saints be made white as snow. (Daniel 12). The the glory of Christ, through His church, would be freeto grow throughout the world because His church would be delivered from the mass persecution of "that day"(Daniel 12:1-2) (which has yet to be matched in history).
A FEW MORE POINTS

He shall change our vile bodies into the likeness of the body of His glory (Philippians 3:21). In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, we will be changed (1 Cor 15:52).

INDEED!!
What does this mean??

2 Cor 5:1 For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 Here indeed we groan, and long to put on our heavenly dwelling, 3 so that by putting it on we may not be found naked. 4 For while we are still in this tent, we sigh with anxiety; NOT THAT WE WOULD BE UNCLOTHED, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.

THIS IS THE "twinkling of an eye change" Paul refered to. Not being "unclothed" but having our mortal bodies "swallowed up by life!!"
It happened for all the alive saints in the AD 70 time and for us, at salvation!! It is what brings us into Christ's "GLORY" and it is why the saints "admire" HIM!!!

Sorry guys, but yes, your rapture is this.
It became a reality in 70 AD and when taught as future, it leads to a false hope of escape (which will never come for you or I because it came for THEM). It is why so many false predictions are made, why for 200 years people have become so sinical of christianity and why many will be strayed out of disappointment.

By the way:
This being "further clothed" is the meaning for verse 8's "absent from the body." If Paul meant "death", then he is contradicting his statement of not wishing to be "unclothed" in verse 4.

4 For while we are still in this tent, we sigh with anxiety; NOT THAT WE WOULD BE UNCLOTHED, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.5 He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. 6 So we are always of good courage; we know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

FURTHER LIFE< NOT DEATH.

A present reality friends. Please look into this. It is so liberating and it stops the "coming soon" deceptive lies!

Nate

[ReveBM]

I was attracted to this thread by skimming some history.

I read a quote of Cardinal Richlieu:

"Better to face one hundred men armed to the teeth, than a lone Calvinist convinced he is doing the work of God."

I know very little about Calvinism itself, but find my Christianity to agree with what I know about Calvin's beliefs in the broad sense.

However, thinking about all of this makes me depressed.

I remember all of those who died as a result of persecution while spreading the Gospel...

What would they say if they looked at our [American] society today, our MTV culture? I am convinced the broad American public believes that there is no hell, that people either go to heaven or to somewhere like "purgatory" (maybe it's called "heck". Well, maybe a tiny, tiny number of people like Hitler go to Hell, that's probably what the public believes.

Looking across history, at our society today, were all of those martyrs' deaths worth it?

In 597, Roman missionary Augustine landed in Kent to begin the process of Christianizing the English. Maybe he should have stayed home, seeing that Britain has effectively reverted to neo-paganism. All people there like to do, judging from an article in today's NY Times, is sit around and smoke hash more easily available due to a recent relaxation of laws.

It's not that surprising that John Walker Lindh turned to Islam, searching for answers, as deplorable as that is. At the turn of the century probably both the Walker and Lindh clans were committed Christians, for all that we know.

Sorry to vent and post on such an old thread.

[RnMomof7]

One more time Woody..you too can be Famous:>)You are published