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Hey Mom. Dangerous move bringing me to this one. :o)

Lets all break this down, because it is the puzzle piece which explains the nature of the "glory" and "bodies" talked of in the "coming" (appearing/presence).

His coming is the revelation of His glory (1 Peter 4:13) and every saint will be a partaker of the glory to be revealed (1 Peter 5:1).
Well siad. Notice:
1. His "coming" will be His glory and the saints will partake.
What does this mean?

The joy of the saints will be in the revealed Glory of Christ (1 Peter 4:13). He shall come on that Day to be glorified in His saints and to be admired in all those who believe (1 Thess 1:10).
AH!!
He is glorified in US! His church! He will be admired by all who believe. Wouldn't He be admired by all? Such a coming would demand all to admire Him wouldn't it?

The church admires Christ. Christ is glorified through His church, because we live in glory. In the constant witness of His changing life. He IS glorified THROUGH His saints. The "whole world" see's His glory because the "whole earth" see's His church.

The Glory of the Lord will be salvation (Hebrews 9:28).
Well if that last statement did not simplify it all what does?
His salvation and regeneration of people who were lost, sinners, unworthy, etc IS THE GLORY!!
Read Hebrews and 1 Cor 15. Paul did not count himself as fully saved until the "Second coming". It was only after the "shattering of the power of the holy people" (AD 70) (Daniel 12:7) could the saints be made white as snow. (Daniel 12). The the glory of Christ, through His church, would be freeto grow throughout the world because His church would be delivered from the mass persecution of "that day"(Daniel 12:1-2) (which has yet to be matched in history).
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He shall change our vile bodies into the likeness of the body of His glory (Philippians 3:21). In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, we will be changed (1 Cor 15:52).

INDEED!!
What does this mean??

2 Cor 5:1 For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 Here indeed we groan, and long to put on our heavenly dwelling, 3 so that by putting it on we may not be found naked. 4 For while we are still in this tent, we sigh with anxiety; NOT THAT WE WOULD BE UNCLOTHED, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.

THIS IS THE "twinkling of an eye change" Paul refered to. Not being "unclothed" but having our mortal bodies "swallowed up by life!!"
It happened for all the alive saints in the AD 70 time and for us, at salvation!! It is what brings us into Christ's "GLORY" and it is why the saints "admire" HIM!!!

Sorry guys, but yes, your rapture is this.
It became a reality in 70 AD and when taught as future, it leads to a false hope of escape (which will never come for you or I because it came for THEM). It is why so many false predictions are made, why for 200 years people have become so sinical of christianity and why many will be strayed out of disappointment.

By the way:
This being "further clothed" is the meaning for verse 8's "absent from the body." If Paul meant "death", then he is contradicting his statement of not wishing to be "unclothed" in verse 4.

4 For while we are still in this tent, we sigh with anxiety; NOT THAT WE WOULD BE UNCLOTHED, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.5 He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. 6 So we are always of good courage; we know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

FURTHER LIFE< NOT DEATH.

A present reality friends. Please look into this. It is so liberating and it stops the "coming soon" deceptive lies!

Nate