Alan Keyes is Making Sense - Transcript for Monday, Feb. 11, 2002

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[LarryLied]

GOLDSTEIN: Alan, you know, I am Jewish, you know, and it‘s tremendously offensive to me for people to try to convert me. It‘s in the primary value of my religion not to be converted, and the idea that somehow this should be widespread in the media, and I should be subject to this when I read a newspaper or turn on a television show, it‘s remarkably offensive of you. And I mean, you know, this is something that would make me feel incredibly threatened, and it ought to make a lot of people feel threatened.

This totalitarian creep seems to forget what happened and is still happening to people of his faith when others decided and still decide his faith is offensive to them.

[Registered]

So true Larry.

[Dog]

Love the robot flame suit!!!

ROFLMAO!!!!

[mountaineer]

It's difficult to respond to this without violating Jim's rule against "bashing," but I have to wonder what Mr. Keyes is thinking in purporting to defend Mormonism as an evangelical Christian denomination.

[MeekOneGOP]

WOW! That's got to be the Atlas Shrugged of all FR article posts! :o)

[MeekOneGOP]

PS: I also meant to tell you I love the flame suit too!!

[LarryLied]

I have to wonder what Mr. Keyes is thinking in purporting to defend Mormonism as an evangelical Christian denomination.

Respect. It is proper to call people what they call themselves. Christians have been denying others who called themselves that are really Christians for nearly 2,000 years.

[conserv13]

I did not have time to read this entire article, but I like Alan Keyes. I have noticed some anti mormon bias in the media - most of it very, very subtle like what he describes - Utah is more than the state where the Mormons live.

I hate it when they knock on my door at 9am on Saturday when I'm hung over and try to convert me, though.

[f.Christian]

I was hoping to get Alan Keyes interested in the... Realatarian Party---Pat and Bay Buchanan too!

Realatarians Up--Go!

[Silly]

I have printed this thread and written the words, "So true" in the margin next to LarryLied's words.

Any thoughts on my Freepmail?

Still being,

[FourtySeven]

later read........

[Gelato]

Alan Keyes thread flame suit on

LOL!

[mountaineer]

It is proper to call people what they call themselves

Bill Clinton toted a five-pound Bible on Sundays, too.

[Gelato]

Related article: Sneering agnosticism: Hugh Hewitt whacks media bigots pretending to be journalists

Hugh Hewitt's PBS special from a few years ago, Searching for God in America, was a classic! I wish they would play it again.

[Nan48]

I enjoyed watching the show last night and thanks for the transcript. However, there is one major correction that needs to be made. The president of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is named Gordon B. Hinckley, not George Hinckley! I was hoping that this oversight would have been caught last night and corrected before the show was over.

[bvw]

I thought the Ayn Rander was a bit of a smart alect in this bi:

YARON BROOK, AYN RAND INSTITUTE: There is this bias against anybody with absolutism, or anybody who feels very passionate about their ideas, including the Christians and the Mormons. But I think that in general, if you look at the media in general, our culture in general is very Christian, including the media-left. They are just left-wing Christians. All of the media is altruistic. The media is all for self-sacrifice. The media is all doubting of reason and doubting of science, and that‘s a Christian heritage. So I don‘t worry about this, because fundamentally, the media still espouses these values.

KEYES: Well, that would be one take on the Christian heritage.

Keyes didn't fully catch it, but Brook was saying (in Randian) that Christians are Socialists. Brook went on to speak over everyone else -- that's what the "cross-talk" is -- Brook not shutting up.

What a whiner Goldstein was! I do not know where he gets his "Jewish core beliefs" shtick from -- if you don't want to be bothered by missionaries just shut the door, hang up or tell them to take a hike.

In the days of the Jewish Ghetto in Venice the Church Authorities used to force Jews to listen to sermons from priests during Shabbat services. That was wrong, not tolerable, a sad and bad thing in many ways. Nobody in America can force a Jew to listen to Christian prostelytising -- all you have to do is say no, and say it as firmly as necessary -- which at rare times means civil action. But people want to, and need to, talk day-in-day-out about religion, about spirituality. If a Jew is going to hang out in Christian territory he'd better learn to deal with the missionary-ism. As Keyes pointed out -- that missionary-ism is christian law to many.

[Symix]

Well, the transcript did not cover this but I was so impressed with Chris Matthews. He showed a cute boyish charm when Alan talked about his book and was remarkably honest in the acknowledgement of the media bias. It was a bit strange to see him as an interviewe - he was not his usual inquisitive self - but in this new role he was respectful of the host and answered with remarkable insights.

I wonder if he has anything to do with AKIMS finding a place on MSNBC - he really showed a mountain of respect to Dr. Keyes.

[LarryLied]

I thought the Ayn Rander was a bit of a smart alect...

A doofus too:

BROOK: (America) was founded on an idea that religion is private, and not public. And that we should not be preached to. . .I find it offensive...

Guess the only book this Libertarian has ever read is Atlas Shrugged. He certainly has never read what the founders of our country wrote.