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Disarming Dubya
The American Partisan ^ | 9 February, 2002 | J. King

Posted on 02/09/2002 3:08:47 PM PST by The Right Stuff

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To: speekinout
Grisly Finds and Accounts Lend Support to Shiite Muslim Claims of Taliban Atrocities

By Brian Murphy Associated Press Writer Published: Feb 9, 2002

MAZAR-E-SHARIF, Afghanistan (AP) -

Each stab of the shovel brings up more disturbing finds: skulls, bones covered by bits of clothing, clumps of hair. When United Nations investigators resume inquiries - perhaps as early as next month - this pit in a corner of a vast stone quarry may reveal an important part of a wider story of alleged atrocities by the Taliban and by the U.S.-backed alliance that toppled them.

The pit, about six miles west of Mazar-e-Sharif, was used by the Taliban as a mass grave for members of the Hazara minority who were systemically killed after the northern city fell in 1998, Hazara leaders allege.

The Hazara are followers of the Shia branch of Islam, which is dominant in Iran and a few other places, but which the Sunni Muslims who made up most of the Taliban considered a flawed version of Islam.

Hazara leaders claim their group, about 10 percent of Afghanistan's population, suffered the worst atrocities at the hands of the Taliban. They claim as many as 15,000 Hazara were killed in a religious-motivated slaughter in Mazar-e-Sharif and other parts of the country.

There is no independent source yet to measure the Hazara claims. The Taliban prevented international investigations in Afghanistan, but the new U.N.-brokered interim government has promised full access to inquiries.

Asma Jehangir, the U.N. special investigator for extrajudicial executions, said she hopes to begin work in Afghanistan next month. The U.N. Human Rights Commission, meanwhile, is expecting a report by late March from its special investigator for Afghanistan, Kamal Hossain.

The Hazara claims, Jehangir noted, are just a piece of a complex web of alleged battlefield atrocities, ethnic reprisals and revenge slayings.

The United Nations and other rights groups have also cited accusations aimed at anti-Taliban forces, including the alleged execution of as many as 2,000 Taliban in 1997 in Mazar-e-Sharif and the killings of about 100 retreating Taliban fighters in November.

More recently, forces of warlord Rashid Dostum, an ethnic Uzbek, have been accused of persecuting ethnic Pashtuns in northern Afghanistan. Pashtuns, the biggest ethnic group in the south, were the backbone of the Taliban.

Jehangir said existing evidence gives some credibility to Hazara claims of a directed campaign by Taliban death squads.

"Ethnic reprisals have been going on everywhere," she told The Associated Press. "But there are some indications that it was much more serious when the Taliban took over (Mazar-e-Sharif), and the Hazara may have been among the main targets."

Last year, New York-based Human Rights Watch called for an inquiry into reports that the Taliban massacred as many as 300 Shiite civilians in central Bamiyan province. At the time, the Taliban denied the charges.

Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch, has urged a comprehensive U.N. investigation "so that past abusers, Taliban or otherwise, are held accountable."

"Our experience in numerous contexts, including Sierra Leone, Haiti and the Balkans, is that arrangements that allow past perpetrators to escape accountability often lead to new instability and more violence," Roth said last month.

The evidence in the quarry is fragmentary, but appears to fit with witness accounts.

They claim Taliban soldiers spent days in September 1998 tossing bodies - mostly men but also some women and children - into a pit about 20 feet on its sides and 16 feet deep. Hazara leaders believe the site could contain hundreds of bodies.

"The smell was horrible," said Jahn Mohammad, 17, an ethnic Tajik who worked at the quarry. "The Taliban left after some days and we came and covered the bodies. It was impossible to count them. The pit was very full."

Another Tajik, a 22-year-old farmer named Nasir, said the Taliban brought the dead piled on a flatbed truck and "just threw the bodies into the pit one by one."

"The Taliban saw me and didn't bother me because I am Tajik," said Nasir, who goes by one name as do many Afghans. "It was clear they were after Hazara."

Golum Abbas Akhlaki, the political chief of the main Hazara group, Hezb-e-Wahadat, plunged a shovel into the loose soil. Each scoop turned up bits of human remains.

"When we dig up the entire area, then we will know the real count," he said. "It will be a big number, I am sure of that."

Akhlaki has identified other alleged Hazara mass graves around Mazar-e-Sharif: a trench where he claims about 50 Hazara men were executed by firing squad and a farmer's field that he alleges holds up to 100 bodies.

At each site, bones, clothes and personal items such as mirrors and combs were visible or resting just below the surface.

Akhlaki claims the Taliban did not bury all their victims, saying wild dogs and other animals tore the corpses apart.

Abdul Gol, a 60-year-old Hazara, said he witnessed Taliban gunmen rounding up Hazara young men. "They were all killed. The Taliban shot them and left the bodies. We were afraid to come out and bury the bodies. Dogs were fighting over them."

Near the Mazar-e-Sharif airport, a few dozen people have moved back to the ruins of Qizilabad, a Hazara village that once had about 750 families. Villagers claim the Taliban conducted house-to-house searches in 1998 and killed at least 70 young men before looting the homes and mosques.

Most villagers fled to Iran or Pakistan, said Mohammad Ismail, 60, who returned last month.

"These graves contain eight, nine, ten bodies each," said Ismail, standing before a row of more than a dozen mounds. "We just put the dead in big holes before leaving."

In one of the looted mosques - stripped of even the electrical wiring - the walls are covered with the names of Taliban militiamen who apparently took part in the attack.

"Goodbye, Shiites. Long live the Taliban," one message said.

Each stab of the shovel brings up more disturbing finds: skulls, bones covered by bits of clothing, clumps of hair. link to story source

21 posted on 02/09/2002 6:21:00 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Dan W
Forgot to take your meds again?
22 posted on 02/09/2002 6:29:35 PM PST by jackbill
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To: The Right Stuff
Thanks for posting this. It's amazing to me that 80 to 90 percent of the people understand George W, whilst the media in all its glory totally misunderstands him.

You've captured the essence of the man, and for that I thank you.

23 posted on 02/09/2002 6:38:42 PM PST by Ole Okie
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To: The Right Stuff
I couldn't admire the man more if I tried. As much as I love and enduringly respect the great Ronald Reagan (the man who quite possibly may have saved this country in a very real sense), I identify with and connect with George W. in a way I never have with any other public figure. I am overwhelmed by our Dubya's bravery; grateful for his unflinching leadership at this pivotal time in our history; well aware of his humanity, including his strengths and weaknesses; touched by his genuine enjoyment of people, especially kids, no matter their station in life. This president is, in a number of profound ways, more Ronald Reagan's heir than his own father's (or Ronny's own children). This is one remarkable man we have in the White House these days.
24 posted on 02/09/2002 6:46:02 PM PST by Wolfstar
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To: The Right Stuff
Yes!

PLEASE, keep me in your flag list.

Signed;

A fan.

25 posted on 02/09/2002 6:55:08 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Dan W
Your bib has slipped, and you have that nasty stuff all over your shirt.....
Semper Fi
26 posted on 02/09/2002 7:03:10 PM PST by river rat
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To: Dan W
Not breaking up anything, we just ignore you. It is so easy to do.
27 posted on 02/09/2002 7:11:32 PM PST by sibb1213
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To: sibb1213
HELL after 88888888888888888888 LLLLLLLLLLLONG YRS with the Rapist as our prez, we deserve to beam over our president as we see fit, so DAN W go take a HIKE!
28 posted on 02/09/2002 8:54:11 PM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: Dan W
"I doubt Dubya is much admired in most of the rest of the world whose people consider the killing of 3000+ Afghan civilians in an illegal, undeclared war a war crime."

And how might they -- and you -- consider the killing of 3000-or-so American civilians in an illegal, undeclared act of war?

Is this how you get your jollies, from peeing in the punch bowl?

29 posted on 02/09/2002 9:05:37 PM PST by okie01
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To: Wolfstar
Ronald Reagan will go down in history, if it is written correctly, as one of our greatest presidents. And, "W" is right behind him. Our president gives all of us a sense of worth once again. God Bless America and God Bless President Bush!
30 posted on 02/10/2002 2:40:23 AM PST by raisincane
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Thanks Luis, I love your stuff too! (Psst, want a pom pom?)
31 posted on 02/10/2002 10:47:26 AM PST by The Right Stuff
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To: Dan W
Excuse me for not giving a crap about 3000+ Afghan citizens when 3000 of our own are lying in the bottom of a smoking heap of rubble that were at one time the two tallest buildings on earth.
32 posted on 02/10/2002 10:52:22 AM PST by lawgirl
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To: BigWaveBetty; rintense; ohioWfan; mtngrl@vrwc; 2Jedismom; Miss Marple; kayak; NYC GOP Chick

GO GET 'EM W!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

33 posted on 02/10/2002 10:55:22 AM PST by lawgirl
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To: The Right Stuff
A humble and sincere man:

An arrogant SOB:


34 posted on 02/10/2002 10:59:47 AM PST by Always Right
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To: speekinout
And how many did the Taliban kill for sport or starve to death?

What about the 3000+ they murdered here on September 11, 2001? Seeing as how I nearly was one of those, I take particular exception to the anti-war whiny wussies.

35 posted on 02/10/2002 11:01:57 AM PST by NYC GOP Chick
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To: Always Right
You have it pegged, perfectly. Who could forget that SOB flipping us the bird with that Esquire cover. Slime.
36 posted on 02/10/2002 11:08:07 AM PST by The Right Stuff
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To: Wolfstar
#24 - applause, applause! What a great reply!

Thank you, Lord, for PRESIDENT George W Bush!

37 posted on 02/10/2002 11:21:27 AM PST by mombonn
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To: The Right Stuff
This is a man who truly loves his country......and his country is loving him back.

Thanks for this post, Right Stuff, and thanks for the ping, lawgirl!

38 posted on 02/10/2002 11:25:54 AM PST by ohioWfan
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To: The Right Stuff
The amazing thing is there are still people that think there is no difference between the two.
39 posted on 02/10/2002 11:33:16 AM PST by Always Right
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To: mombonn; Wolfstar
#24 - applause, applause! What a great reply!

I'm with you, mombonn!

Wolfstar, you are right on target! President Bush is so much like President Reagan in strength of conviction, character and dignity, but in so many ways he is more like us......like a brother, or a friend. And yet I believe, as a result of his own prayers, and the prayers of millions of others, he is also above us, because he has been anointed by God to lead America in its time of need, and is being obedient to God's call.

40 posted on 02/10/2002 11:35:37 AM PST by ohioWfan
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