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U.S. out of my uterus now!
San Francisco Examiner ^ | 2/9/02 | Debby Morse

Posted on 02/08/2002 5:20:43 PM PST by madprof98

IF I RECALL correctly, President Bush claimed to have received "gentleman's Cs" at Yale, where he majored in history. A look at his transcript shows the nearest thing to science he studied: one semester of astronomy and one of geology, in his freshman year.

At Ivy League schools there are nicknames for gut science classes, classes nonintellectuals or non-science majors can take to satisfy graduation requirements. Geology is called "rocks for jocks" and astronomy is "stars for poets" (but in this instance, perhaps we should call it "stars for Bar's boy"; labeling W a poet makes my teeth hurt).

In any case, Bush's academic record reveals a lot of emphasis on history and political science. There is no evidence he ever studied life sciences, religion or ethics.

So where does he get the cojones to cast himself as an expert in biology and theology? Hell, he might as well call himself a linguist, what with the neologisms he constantly comes up with. No, wait, I just answered my own question. He would make up a new word, and he would relabel himself. He'd call himself a "biologian."

I'm talking, of course, about Bush's foray into the politically charged topic of fetal "rights."

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LAST SUMMER, BUSH set limits -- with a stroke of the pen -- on stem cell research, a branch of science that can use embryonic human stem cells to grow healthy tissues to replace damaged or diseased tissue resulting from Alzheimer's, multiple sclerosis, heart disease, Parkinson's disease and other conditions, including brain and spinal injuries.

Last week, he managed to enact -- with a stroke of the pen -- his wish of conferring "personhood" on human embryos and developing fetuses by making them eligible for health care.

Let me give you his reasons. Poor women need prenatal care, so if we call their fetuses "children," those "children" will be eligible for health care under the Children's Health Insurance Program. In other words, a pregnant woman may now present her "unborn child" as a CHIP client, thereby receiving treatment for herself under a plan originally designed for living, breathing kids. Bush has spoken: Life begins at conception.

Put another way, Bush is opposed to abortion, and his linguistic trick of renaming a fetus "child" is a strategy for establishing it as a beneficiary of government programs -- a semantic hair's breadth away from calling abortion homicide.

As for stem cells, they are harvested from human embryos and can be triggered to multiply indefinitely. The embryos used are "leftovers" from assisted reproductive technology, i.e., they are extra fertilized eggs that couples trying for "test-tube babies" don't need. Bush is allowing federal funds for stem-cell research only if it's limited to the 60 or so existing cell lines already proliferating, "where the life-and-death decision has already been made," in his words.

He is opposed to launching new cell lines, because the process of isolating the cells results in the destruction of the embryos -- I mean children -- they come from, even though in most cases, the embryos would have been thrown away, and have never seen the inside of a womb.

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THAT'S GENEROUS, GEORGE. There may not actually be 60 cell lines available -- the National Institutes of Health puts it at closer to 30 -- but whatever the number, consider the tiny gene pool this constitutes: DNA from a mere 60 or fewer donors. Last month the National Academy of Sciences called for continued work in the field of embryonic cloning (while favoring a ban of cloning for reproductive purposes, i.e., creating a child) -- but it's doubtful Congress will go along with their recommendation.

That leaves, by conservative estimates, 200,000 frozen embryos stored around the world, plus the unused embryos that will inevitably continue to accumulate as technology improves and couples continue to try to get pregnant by in vitro fertilization. But now in the United States, they're going to be called children, and they're not only off-limits to researchers, they're eligible for health care.

What happens when these unused embryos, stored sometimes for years in clinic freezers, reach the age of 5? Will they be required to go to school? Will their parents be cited for neglect if they fail to pay cryogenic visits? Would a doctor or clinician who eventually disposes of the fertilized eggs be found guilty of murder?

Will the poor pregnant women now eligible for health care under CHIP be found guilty of child endangerment if they don't show up at clinics? Would they be guilty of manslaughter if they underwent chemotherapy or radiation?

Under the pretzel logic of this proposal, Bush has granted power to the embryo and reduced the value of poor pregnant women to incubator. But that's just George, making up new names for things.

E-mail Debby Morse at dmorse@sfexaminer.com


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It's good to see they're still questioning Bush's intelligence out in San Fransicko. They obviously have nothing new to add to the culture-war discussion. I haven't studied geology myself, but it seems to me more than time for another one of those earthquakes . . .
1 posted on 02/08/2002 5:20:43 PM PST by madprof98
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If you're pregnant, lady, ITS NOT JUST YOUR BODY ANYMORE!!!

and if its not a BABY, THEN YOU'RE NOT PREGNANT!!!

2 posted on 02/08/2002 5:29:21 PM PST by keithtoo
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To: madprof98
>>In other words, a pregnant woman may now present her "unborn child" as a CHIP client, thereby receiving treatment for herself under a plan originally designed for living, breathing kids.<<

Because all of us "scientific" types know that a "fetus" is a dead, non-respirating entity. What self-hating scum abortion apologists are.

3 posted on 02/08/2002 5:30:39 PM PST by Jonathon Spectre
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4 posted on 02/08/2002 5:30:43 PM PST by Revelation 911
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To: madprof98
Debby's a little crampy today, huh?
7 posted on 02/08/2002 5:37:06 PM PST by clintonh8r
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To: madprof98
Come out with your legs up and let the baby go and nobody gets hurt.
8 posted on 02/08/2002 5:38:14 PM PST by breakem
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To: Revelation 911;Keithtoo;Jonathon Spectre
”So where does he get the cojones to cast himself as an expert in biology and theology?”

And exactly where does a journalist get the “cojones” to present herself as someone with a background in biology or theology? I don’t know of any colleges where Biology is a required course for a journalism major. And with views like the one she expresses in this article (not to mention that she’s from San Francisco) I’d say it’s a safe bet that she hasn’t seen the inside of a Church recently (sorry Debby, meditating over a crystal doesn’t pass for Religion or Theology.)

Keithtoo and Jonathon Spectre have it right- if it’s respiring, it’s a live BABY.

Owl _ Eagle
“Guns before butter.”

9 posted on 02/08/2002 5:41:45 PM PST by End Times Sentinel
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To: madprof98
...LAST SUMMER, BUSH set limits -- with a stroke of the pen -- ...

"Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kinda cool." - Paul Begala.

I'll bet she was smiling big when the forehead spoke those now-famous words.

10 posted on 02/08/2002 5:45:42 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Owl_Eagle
Keithtoo and Jonathon Spectre have it right- if it’s respiring, it’s a live BABY.

Whether respiring or not (it doesn't need to as long as it's connected to the placenta), it's still a live baby until abortionists kill it.
11 posted on 02/08/2002 5:46:13 PM PST by aruanan
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To: madprof98
Debby Morse is pi$$ed off because GWB has the pen now. Too bad!
12 posted on 02/08/2002 5:46:36 PM PST by abclily
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To: madprof98
Ethics are a part of politics, dumba$$...who didn't take the right classes after all?
13 posted on 02/08/2002 5:54:07 PM PST by Tory-Oxonian
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To: madprof98
Put another way, Bush is opposed to abortion, and his linguistic trick of renaming a fetus "child" is a strategy for establishing it as a beneficiary of government programs -- a semantic hair's breadth away from calling abortion homicide.

Debbie, you're more than a few dots short of making sense. Here's Merriam/Webster's definition of "fetus":

specifically : a developing human from usually three months after conception to birth

Gee, Debbie, I think killing a human is homicide.
14 posted on 02/08/2002 5:56:37 PM PST by aruanan
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To: keithtoo
If you're pregnant, lady, ITS NOT JUST YOUR BODY ANYMORE!!!

and if its not a BABY, THEN YOU'RE NOT PREGNANT!!!

I do not think your pro-choice arguments will be liked here. You certainly don't think this specious nonsense is pro-life, do you?

Hank

15 posted on 02/08/2002 6:05:34 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: Revelation 911
Orangutan?
16 posted on 02/08/2002 6:08:52 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: madprof98
seems to me more than time for another one of those earthquakes . . .

Hey, I've got to go there Wednesday. Pray that God waits until Thursday before he rains down fire and brimstone, ok?

Actually if he does it on Tuesday, then maybe I can get out of going. :-)

17 posted on 02/08/2002 6:12:03 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: madprof98
They are responsible for the murder of 50 million HUMANS. If they ever admitted to themselves that what they were destroying was the lives of HUMANS, they would commit suicide (if they had any conscience).
18 posted on 02/08/2002 6:13:11 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Owl_Eagle
Keithtoo and Jonathon Spectre have it right- if it’s respiring, it’s a live BABY.

Baby what? These are true for all animals. Movement, sensation, are true of all embryoes as some stage. These do not a human make.

These continued ignorant arguments are playing right into the hands of the pro-choice movement. Please think before helping to increase the number of abortions being performed every day.

Hank

19 posted on 02/08/2002 6:14:41 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: keithtoo
Keith, do you realize the significance of your statement? Whose body is her body once she becomes pregnant? Is it yours? The State's (all of ours)? Her husband's? The embryo's? Her husband's and her own? Is there a joint ownership once she becomes pregnant whereby her body is owned like a corporation?
20 posted on 02/08/2002 6:24:17 PM PST by The Westerner
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