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1 posted on 02/08/2002 2:08:48 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Citigroup Hedged Bets Against Enron

What did Citigroup know in August 2000, and when they they know it?

Does Citigroup hedge all their loans?

Now those investors are left to fight for repayment in bankruptcy proceedings.

It looks like the investors gets scammed a second time because of Enron.

2 posted on 02/08/2002 2:56:10 AM PST by chainsaw
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Credit-linked derivative securities? Do the DUMBocrats think that the average American has ANY understanding of what these are? This is going to cause the biggest SNORE across America, and the backlash is going to swamp the RATs.
3 posted on 02/08/2002 3:02:20 AM PST by rebel_yell2
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To: JohnHuang2, Miss Marple
Uh oh, will the hearings get close to Robert Rubin and Citigroup?That bloomberg article reads like clinton-spin.

I can't remember if I read this correctly a couple of weeks ago, but didn't Mr. Rubin call an administration official regarding Enron before it's collapse?

7 posted on 02/08/2002 3:27:55 AM PST by Jodi
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To: JohnHuang2
The axis of evil is Enron, Anderson & Citigroup.
11 posted on 02/08/2002 3:49:16 AM PST by PGalt
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To: JohnHuang2
bump
16 posted on 02/08/2002 4:11:59 AM PST by independentmind
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The thieves who looted the company and decimated the life savings of loyal employees ...

This is a now-familiar formulation, but I question it. These 'loyal employees' were every bit as interested in the 'quick buck' of the 'run-up stock' as the executives. It is now well established that only 11% of the Enron stock held by the 'loyal employees' in their respective 401(k)'s was locked in. The balance was held as a speculation.

What was wrong at Enron -- and indeed is endemic in American business -- is a fixation on the short-term. It is clear that all the executives were making far more -- and were intent on doing so -- from the stock market than from their respective salaries and bonuses.

And I believe these 'loyal employees' shared the executives' interest in finding the 'new sucker' to take their stock positions at every higher (and hyped) prices and shared it with the same rabidity. Did they know how the executives were cooking the books? Most probably did not. Would they have cared as long as it made paper millionaires out of secretaries? Absolutely not. They were infected with the same bug.

The same index funds available to the rest of us to diversity our risks in the market were available to them. The bought the stock speculation ticket and now they get to ride the train. I hope they enjoy the ride. But I don't feel sorry for them. They were every bit as greedy as Skilling, Lay and the others.

Hopefully, that faint rustling sound you hear is thousands and tens of thousands of other such speculators diversifying their portfolios even as we speak.

17 posted on 02/08/2002 4:18:31 AM PST by winstonchurchill
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Didn't this same type of "hedge" scam happen early in season 2 of "The Sopranos"?
18 posted on 02/08/2002 4:18:43 AM PST by WhiteGuy
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To: JohnHuang2
Looks like everybody's in on the scheme, except the investors.
20 posted on 02/08/2002 4:26:48 AM PST by Osinski
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To: JohnHuang2; Black Jade
What is not mentioned, is our favorite, dirtbag Saudi Prince, is a big investor in Citigroup!
25 posted on 02/08/2002 6:10:06 AM PST by TwoStep
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I guess the guys running Citigroup are smarter than the ones at Morgan, at least in this instance. As a Citi shareholder, I'm glad. If I were a Morgan shareholder I think I'd want to know why they weren't hedging this risk also.
28 posted on 02/08/2002 6:27:04 AM PST by clintonh8r
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