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Real birthday bashing at GOP Senate debate [Candidates debate on Reagan's birthday]
The Chicago Sun-Times & The Chicago Daily Southtown ^ | Februrary 4, 2002 | Scottt Fornek (Article 1) & Kristen McQueary (Article 2)

Posted on 02/07/2002 11:33:36 AM PST by BillyBoy

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To: RedWing9
>> Sorry I wasn't here the MINUTE you posted it. :P Anyways... <<

I tagged just about every Illinois freeper. It was nothing PERSONAL, I just didn't want the thread to die off quickly like my last one did. Hey, I get flagged all the time on posts that people want me to BUMP, and some are completely useless. ;-)

>> That's bad news, why didn't you bold it? You bolded everything else that was bad from the other two candidates. Anyone that currently supports making the media and unions the only way for politicians to get their word out, has a serious problem... <<

I think I was pretty fair pointing out each of the candidates stregths and weaknesses. Oberweis is lousy on abortion and several other social issues. Cox is lousy on the death penalty and rallying the party's members. Durkin is lousy on guns, some taxes, and is a little too cozy with McCain. As for streghths, Oberweis has charisma and money, Cox has money and devotion to his campaign, and Durkin has experience, loyality and big connections to get out the vote in the general election.

I listed both paper's articles in their entirity so Illinois freepers could read where they all stand, and I bolded what I felt were solid information on the candidates.

However, while I will be fair, I'm not gonna be impartial and "neutral". I told everyone who I'm leaning towards and I'm going to encourage all freepers to vote for Jim Durkin. But I will say that I'd take ANY of these guys over Durbin. We know the Republican's weaknesses. But more importantly, we should know Durbin's! ;-)

21 posted on 02/07/2002 6:35:31 PM PST by BillyBoy
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To: usconservative
>> Who's the front-runner here? I suspect Cox, but can someone confirm?

Durkin is the marginal front runner, with Oberweis in a close second. Cox is acutally in third. At least, that's what the columnists in the paper stated today. In the governor's race, Jim Ryan is still way ahead (unfortunately), with O'Malley and Wood both tieing each other with about 15% each. We still have six weeks left, so you may not have the time now, but I hope you can help us campaign to GOTV by Feb. 19th. I want to do a blitz in the last 30 days before the primary.

22 posted on 02/07/2002 6:39:38 PM PST by BillyBoy
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To: usconservative
The only way the Republicans are going to keep the Governor's mansion is if either O'Malley or Ryan win the Republican primary.

Shouldn't that be "regain"? Calling King George a Republican is like calling John Walker Lindh an patriot.

23 posted on 02/07/2002 8:26:52 PM PST by supercat
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To: BillyBoy
But none paid much attention to Reagan's famed 11th commandment, "Thou shalt not criticize other Republicans."

The media are such liars. Reagan said not to criticize after the primaries.

24 posted on 02/08/2002 12:07:10 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: supercat
Shouldn't that be "regain"?

LOL... Page B1 of the Chicago Tribune today said...GET THIS...

Ryan takes swipe at GOP hopefuls
But he speaks kindly of Vallas

25 posted on 02/08/2002 4:29:58 AM PST by RedWing9
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To: BillyBoy
I tagged just about every Illinois freeper. It was nothing PERSONAL, I just didn't want the thread to die off quickly like my last one did. Hey, I get flagged all the time on posts that people want me to BUMP, and some are completely useless. ;-)

I saw that. And that was not what I was getting at. The flag was sufficient. If people have something to say, they will say it. Flagging people is not necessarily an indication for a need to be bumped, atleast IMO. The flag is there to solicit comments on the article you think is relevant for those you've flagged. :)

I listed both paper's articles in their entirity so Illinois freepers could read where they all stand, and I bolded what I felt were solid information on the candidates.

I, personally, do not like this kind of posting. Bolding what you think is relevant can be demeaning to the reader. That's what the "article poster comment" (for lack of a better term) section is for. To each his own, I guess.

26 posted on 02/08/2002 4:35:33 AM PST by RedWing9
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To: usconservative
Good thing Illinois has the runoff. That's how Glenn Poshard got the Dem nomination in '98!
27 posted on 02/08/2002 4:55:44 AM PST by Clemenza
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To: BillyBoy
I am glad to hear you say that BB, while of course I will vote for whichever one wins the primary I believe Durkin has the best chance of beating Durbin. So I am inclined towards him but think we should warn him about the campaign finance reform trap and its dangers.

Who do you think would be the best Democratic candidate for us to face for Gov., Burris?

28 posted on 02/08/2002 5:38:20 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: BillyBoy
BTTT to defeat Durbin.
29 posted on 02/08/2002 6:27:04 AM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: justshutupandtakeit
>> I believe Durkin has the best chance of beating Durbin. So I am inclined towards him but think we should warn him about the campaign finance reform trap and its dangers. <<

I agree, his cozy relationship with McCain-Feingold is more of a concern to me than his moderate stance on guns. Lucikly, it seems like he'd be more like Fitzgerald in office (Fitz votes for a couple anti-gun bills, but plays both sides when it comes to McCain-Feingold). I'll take two Fitzgerald's over a Fitzgerald and a Durbin.

I wish we could get freepers to agree a bit more on the Senate race. We've got the Durkin the camp with me, you, Barnical Bill, Clemenza, etc. The Cox camp is lead by RedWing9, SpintreeBob, and I think Santadru. And ever Oberweis has fans on this forum-- Chicagoland thinks he's the best candidate.

Luckily on the Senate race, it's pretty much 90% of us in favor of O'Malley, the remaining 10% going for Jim Ryan, and virtually no one supporting Wood (any freeper that thinks she'd be the best candidate is either a RINO or nuts anyway.) ;-)

>> Who do you think would be the best Democratic candidate for us to face for Gov., Burris? <<

I was hoping they'd nominate their 1978 nominee, Bakalis. Of course, Mikey figured out he had no shot so now he's dropped out. There's no ideological difference between the remaining three Dems...they'll split the Chicago liberal vote almost equally, so Poshard was a moron not to run again-- he would have been a shoo-in. Vallas is probably their strongest candidate, but we could beat him if we hit him over the head with all his seedy connections (corrupt father-in-law funding campaign, George Ryan came out today and "unofficially" endorsed him). Burris is pretty much a has-been in the primary, but I view him as a threat IF he gets the nomination because he'd probably have a lock on the minority vote, plus he can con a bunch of downstaters into think he's one of them ("I used to live in Centralia!") Beatable, but tough. Probably Blagojevich would the weakest Dem. No one can pronounce his name, and his "base" is exclusively on the north side of Chicago. He'll do poorly in the middle-class suburbs and terrible downstate. Plus Burris and Vallas come off as soft-spoken and likeable in person, Blagojevic comes off as a loudmouth know-it-all (remember Gore?)

O'Malley/Hawkinson (or O'Malley/O'Conner, although I personally HATE the latter, but he IS popular) vs. Blagojevic/Washington would probably be our best chance of winning, but it's hard to say at this point.

30 posted on 02/08/2002 12:02:52 PM PST by BillyBoy
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To: BillyBoy
Interesting I figured Burris would be the most beatable since Blago would have strong machine backing.

I think Ryan is going to win the gov. nom though.

31 posted on 02/08/2002 12:26:58 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: BillyBoy
But one GOP consultant who sat through the debate was not so sure: "Do you really think any of these three have Dick Durbin quaking in his boots?"

Such is politics.

Thanks for the excellent write-up and analysis BillyBoy. You make a good case for Durkin being our best bet. Just to increase his odds a bit more, maybe he could change his name to Durbkin or Durkbin. Ha ha.

32 posted on 02/08/2002 4:06:44 PM PST by Barnacle
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To: Barnacle
>> Just to increase his odds a bit more, maybe he could change his name to Durbkin or Durkbin <<

There was an old joke going around that you can win any election in Chicago by simply changing your name to:
William Patrick Kennedy-Daley IV ;-)

33 posted on 02/08/2002 9:06:18 PM PST by BillyBoy
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To: supercat
Shouldn't that be "regain"? Calling King George a Republican is like calling John Walker Lindh an patriot.

I stand humbly corrected. :)

34 posted on 02/09/2002 9:52:42 AM PST by usconservative
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