An Astounding Remark

Future of Freedom Foundation ^ | Sheldon Richman

[AUgrad]

If you dont like this country....then get the HELL out! Lets Roll!

Sorry, doesn't work that way.If you don't like this country, work for change. Which is exactly what many are doing despite the objection of the sheep.

[francisandbeans]

for the record, I have seen threads reach 150 posts before being pulled.

;)

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

"mock the people who are trying to SAVE our freedom, whether they find the best path the first time or not."

Sort of like destroying the village in order to save it?

By the time your leaders get done with saving us from the TERRORISTS, I'm going to have a hard time telling the difference.

[jimt]

Not a dime's worth of difference between the ACLU and Libertarians on FR.

It's amazing what you can hallucinate on acid. Reality need never intrude.

[steve-b]

A red herring in my opinion.

Yeah, why bother reading something before voting on it?

Exactly then what would Ashcroft's critics do to successfully and expeditiously investigate and root out suspected terrorist and criminal adversaries of America?

Focus their existing powers on real threats rather than on political harassment (e.g. Clinton's tax audits, etc) and minor issues (e.g. Clinton's directive to move resources from anti-terrorism investigation to copyright enforcement).

[hgro]

Obviously all of the comics aren't in the newspapers. Why don't you join your commie friends on CNN?

[Howlin]

At least I have some leaders in office, something that you all haven't been able to do. Does that tell you something? Why aren't you able to make your points to enough people to get somebody elected, if you're so right about everything?

We can't ALL be stupider than you are.

[Howlin]

Actually, I don't want to fly on a plane if YOU'RE carrying.

[Howlin]

Perhaps somebody is having some fun this morning.

[steve-b]

IMO Ashcroft isn't "quashing" anyone. He's simply rendering an opinion.

Nope. An "opinion" expressed by the Attorney General has an obvious influence on all federal law enforcement personnel. In this case it influences them to give less weight to civil liberties issues than the law requires.

Frankly, this defense implies that Ashcroft's statement is a cowardly means of giving a directive without taking responsibility for any subsequent results, a la Henry II's "Will no friend rid me of this troublesome priest?"

[francisandbeans]

ugh...

A hex on you:

May you be accused of a crime you didn't commit.

[SoCal Pubbie]

I’m afraid I have to agree with Howlin and say that you are judging by your feelings for Ashcroft in general and not by the statement itself. There is nothing here that squashes dissent in the least. I see it merely as a statement of opinion by the Attorney General. If you don't agree, keep on dissenting!

Where are the threats of arrest or seizure of media assets that would be an actual attempt to squash dissent? Is it not possible that the people who decry the treatment of detainees in Cuba are trying to build false sympathy for the terrorists? I don’t agree with all of Ashcroft’s decisions or statements, and the drape thing was embarrassing, but I’m not going to lose any sleep over this quote, thank you very much.

[Gargantua]

Those who would be willing to sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.

[Loopy]

We can't ALL be stupider than you are.

Sorry, someone's got to be in the botton 95th Percentile of Intelligence. Its not your fault. Its genetics.

[NC_Libertarian]

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

After this comment, can John Ashcroft be exempt from the "no smearing" rule?

I think that no public official should be exempt from smearing, including Ol' Beaver-Face Ashcroft. His opinion of opponents of the USSA-Patriot-in-Name-Only act probably makes Janet Reno hot.

[Blake#1]

This thread is just the "dopers" hope that they can buy, sell, and trip, break the law, and just demonize John Ashcroft. All so that they can be "legal". Give your name and addresses so that you can be reported.

[francisandbeans]

You will notice that not once, did I ever accuse Ashcroft of aiding terrorists. His statement accused me of that. From minute one, all I have ever said about the war on terror is that we need to be careful not to ignore the Constitution. Keep a watchful eye of sorts. Then he uses the popularity of the war effort as a means to associate those who think we may be crossing a line with personal liberties with terrorists. He could just say we are wrong. Or that we are over-reacting. But to tell us we are aiding terrorists is over the line.

[Jefferson Adams]

I hit the abuse button on your post 50 times, once for each state in this great union, in a symbolic gesture of my disgust at your audacity to make such a statement in this time of war.

THIS one almost had me howlin', if you'll excuse the pun < g >