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Someone has finally talked! Reed Irvine on Navy witness who saw Flight 800 downed by missile
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Thursday, January 31, 2002 | Reed Irvine

Posted on 01/31/2002 12:01:36 AM PST by JohnHuang2

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To: UberVernunft
I agree. I should have closed my (/sarcasm) tag. :^)
61 posted on 01/31/2002 6:24:31 AM PST by Wm Bach
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To: Dr. Luv
Thousands of people "claim" to have been abducted by aliens. Many more think Elvis is still alive based on personal observations. These same type of "observations" lead many to believe that man never landed on the moon, that the earth is hollow, crop circle are alien messages and that Love Story was based on Al and Tipper.

Since this type of argument applies to just about any observation, what exactly is the point of bringing this all up? Even the FBI and NTSB don't doubt the witness claims -- they just came with a different interpretation of what was seen based on a supposed post-explosion "climb" of the aircraft.

Believe what you want - I will rely on the facts....

The eyewitness accounts are fundamental "facts".

62 posted on 01/31/2002 6:27:16 AM PST by UberVernunft
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To: webstersII
401Ks, almost exclusively, are invested in the company stock

All the 401k's I've had or seen have a choice of investments, generally stock, bond and money market funds. Yes, the matching part is in company stock -- but hey, that's okay, after all it is a bonus.

And if your friend wanted to protect his own profits in a 401k after a takover he had only to quit the company and rollover or rollout the 401k funds, company stock included. Given the value of some 401k's -- quitting can be the least risk option.

Let's get back to the point I made. Any pensions that aren't carriable -- able to be taken with you -- act as traps when you have to make a moral or ethical decision to leave an outfit.

63 posted on 01/31/2002 6:28:57 AM PST by bvw
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To: d14truth
" Similar to the 'spark' that brought down the 'Twin Towers'???"

No, you have your facts wrong. It was two airliners that took down the Twin Towers.

64 posted on 01/31/2002 6:34:06 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: seoseo
Iran has newer diesel electrics too. If they used one of them, it would not have been to easy to detect.
65 posted on 01/31/2002 7:00:08 AM PST by Ada Coddington
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To: Dr. Luv
Believe what you want - I will rely on the facts....

Rely on these facts...

Approximately 100 people saw exactly the same thing at the same time... A yellow streak going up to the plane and then a giant explosion...

In the literally millions of hours of flight time that 747's around the world have accrued, not one time has a fuel tank ever exploded... Not once...

Once again, your government is lying to you...

66 posted on 01/31/2002 7:26:35 AM PST by Ferris
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To: JohnHuang2
When Pierre Salinger, at a press conference in March 1997, declared that TWA Flight 800 had been shot down accidentally by a U.S. Navy missile, this former presidential press secretary, U.S. Senator and ABC News correspondent.

When and from what state was this?

67 posted on 01/31/2002 7:34:44 AM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: Ferris
"Approximately 100 people saw exactly the same thing at the same time... A yellow streak going up to the plane and then a giant explosion..."

You call this a "fact" but it is simply not true. In fact, most eyewitnesses said the streak was red. Only 7 said it was yellow. One even said it was green. Only 40 of the 96 said the streak originated from the water. 10 said it came from the land and the remainder didn't say. Assuming a "fact" is 100% true, then what you have designated as "fact" is not. Your second "fact" concerning fuel tanks exploding on 747's is also untrue. Since 1959 there have been 26 documented fuel tank explosions/fires on transport aircraft including an Iran Air 747 in 1976.

I'm not going to accuse you of lying, but I would say your "facts" do not prove the government lied in this case.

68 posted on 01/31/2002 8:06:34 AM PST by Rokke
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To: JohnHuang2;1peter2:16;Alamo-Girl
addendum. Looks like the first link isn't the most updated version. Here's the one direct from Alamo-Girl's site. Includes entire discussion

DOWNSIDE LEGACY AT TWO DEGREES OF PRESIDENT CLINTON SECTION: REMEMBERING THE DEAD SUBSECTION: TWA800 –– RESEARCH PROJECT Revised 10/12/00

GSA(P)

69 posted on 01/31/2002 8:08:26 AM PST by John O
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To: UberVernunft
Witnesses may be wrong, but if approximately 100 witnesses describe the same thing...

But they don't. Some accounts have the missile coming from land, others from the sea. Some describe a red flame, others describe a yellow flame, still others a white flame. Some witnesses say it rose heading east, some say west, some say it headed north. You have a dozen different accounts of what happened.

70 posted on 01/31/2002 8:12:15 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: JohnHuang2
This guy should go public and fast.

(The bad guys already know who he is, or have narrowed it down so far that they effectively know.)

71 posted on 01/31/2002 8:14:00 AM PST by Triple
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To: seoseo
Speculation is that it was an old diesel powered Iranian submarine. It surfaced, tracked, fire at and downed Flight 800 in an alledged payback for the USS Vincennes downing of an Iranian airliner in July, 1988.

A couple of questions. Why wait 8 years for revenge? How did the sub 'track' the airplane and know that it was a U.S. airplane instead of, say, Egyptair or SwissAir or something like that? What kind of missile did it use that could reach the 747 at that altitude? How did the sub get from Iran to Long Island without attracting attention when it stopped and refueled, which it would have had to do 5 or 6 times?

72 posted on 01/31/2002 8:20:19 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Rokke
You call this a "fact" but it is simply not true. In fact, most eyewitnesses said the streak was red. Only 7 said it was yellow. One even said it was green. Only 40 of the 96 said the streak originated from the water. 10 said it came from the land and the remainder didn't say. Assuming a "fact" is 100% true, then what you have designated as "fact" is not. Your second "fact" concerning fuel tanks exploding on 747's is also untrue. Since 1959 there have been 26 documented fuel tank explosions/fires on transport aircraft including an Iran Air 747 in 1976.

Red streak, yellow streak, blue streak... I would submit what difference does it make what exact color the streak was...

If the center wing tank did explode, there would be NO witnesses to ANY streak rising up from the surface...

No witnesses... Because the streak didn't happen...

But the streak did happen. Many people saw it...

That right there should be enough to discount the gov't story...

And as far as fuel tank explosions, only 747 evidence is relevent. Not DC-9 data, MD-80 data, or 757 data... Only 747 data...

And if the Iran Air 747 was actually downed by a center wing tank explosion, (I'm not saying it wasn't), if that's the only incident attributed to 747's blowing up because of the fuel tank, I still submit the odds of that being the cause of flight 800 to be astronomical. Especially when you consider all the corellating evidence which points to foul play...

73 posted on 01/31/2002 8:21:51 AM PST by Ferris
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To: a6intruder
I'm as serious as a heart attack.

Since I can't state how old you are, when was the last time that the United States Federal Government admitted that it screwed up and killed any number of it's citizens?.

Hasn't happened in my lifetime.

The Feds cover their respective butts in all aspects and do not eat their own. Those who fail to play along with the Feds consistently commit suicide.

---max

74 posted on 01/31/2002 8:39:45 AM PST by max61
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To: Ferris
I only point out the difference in color because you said every witness saw exactly the same thing. If they all had seen exactly the same thing, that would add weight to that piece of evidence. But they didn't. In fact, a majority of the witnesses to the TWA800 incident don't report any streak at all. Even witnesses who claim they watched the airplane break apart. And some witnesses state very clearly that they didn't observe anything resembling a missile prior to the 747 breaking up. So who's testimony do you go with? Just the testimony that fits your theory?
As far as the exploding fuel tank evidence is concerned...if every accident cause required a precedent in ordered to be considered a valid cause, then there would be a lot more unexplained accidents. With a mechanical object as complex as an airliner, the statement "______ just doesn't break/explode in flight" doesn't pull much weight. As numerous as 727's, 737's etc are, I am sure there are several destroyed by one time bad deal mechanical failures.
75 posted on 01/31/2002 8:47:08 AM PST by Rokke
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To: Non-Sequitur
"Witnesses may be wrong, but if approximately 100 witnesses describe the same thing..."

But they don't.

But they do.

Some accounts have the missile coming from land, others from the sea. Some describe a red flame, others describe a yellow flame, still others a white flame. Some witnesses say it rose heading east, some say west, some say it headed north. You have a dozen different accounts of what happened.

Not really. If they are observing the same event from totally different locations there will be differences between descriptions. However, they are *all* essentially describing something similar. A real difference would be if they saw a light coming down from the air and hit the ground. The essential description is a missile, or light, going up and the plane exploding. If there are variances some of this would be due to the type of witness. The evidence needs to be weighted, such as in terms of common descriptions, how many people saw a particular object, and the reliability of certain witnesses. If a preponderance of witnesses agree on a certain description, then it most likely is the correct description of what really occured. From what I have read the observed missile, or light, tends to triangulate to the area where the plane went down.

76 posted on 01/31/2002 8:59:23 AM PST by UberVernunft
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To: JohnHuang2
1st of many bumps
77 posted on 01/31/2002 9:02:59 AM PST by timestax
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To: UberVernunft
Sorry, I've seen posts before that give eyewitness accounts. In order for them all to be true there would have had to be 6 different missiles.
78 posted on 01/31/2002 9:03:35 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: JohnHuang2
He said he didn't want to do anything that might "mess up" his retirement.

I am sick of the public credence given this excuse. These people earn their retirement by being willing to die for their country. If they can't take that kind of risk, they do not deserve a paycheck for the honor of serving this country and its Constitution.

79 posted on 01/31/2002 9:04:33 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Ferris
Nobody has been able to honestly duplicate the "spark in the tank" theory. Not even on engineer computors!!
80 posted on 01/31/2002 9:07:37 AM PST by timestax
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