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Bush Proposes Tracking System for Noncitizens
Washington post ^ | January 26, 2002 | Mike Allen and Bill Miller

Posted on 01/25/2002 8:50:01 PM PST by america-rules

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:52 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

SOUTH PORTLAND, Maine, Jan. 25 -- President Bush announced plans today to develop a federal tracking system to monitor the arrival and departure of noncitizens from airports, ports, and Mexican and Canadian border crossings.

A White House statement said the system "will dramatically improve our ability to deny access to those individuals who should not enter the United States, while speeding the entry of routine, legitimate traffic."


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1 posted on 01/25/2002 8:50:01 PM PST by america-rules
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To: america-rules
If you read the whole article it looks like this is phase I on closing the borders?

The Bush MO is to do things in small steps !

2 posted on 01/25/2002 8:52:05 PM PST by america-rules
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To: america-rules
Dream on, it isn't going to happen. Big business wants massive immigration so they can get lots and lots of cheap labor. Nothing is going to happen to change this until civil war two breaks out. America isn't going to exist in its current state in twenty years.
3 posted on 01/25/2002 8:56:49 PM PST by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Billy_bob_bob
America isn't going to exist in its current state in twenty years.

That would always be true if you said it twenty years ago.

5 posted on 01/25/2002 9:01:29 PM PST by PRND21
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To: america-rules
This is a major, expensive program. Huge database, awesome computer power. Lots of new bureaucrats to run the system, and many midlevel managers. Many court challenges by ACLU and other ambulance chasers.
6 posted on 01/25/2002 9:03:08 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: america-rules
I like the idea of making alien's drivers licenses expire on the day their visas expire.
7 posted on 01/25/2002 9:04:32 PM PST by 185JHP
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To: america-rules
There is already such a system in existence. However, the "technology" it relies on is a piece of paper stapled into the alien's passport.
8 posted on 01/25/2002 9:12:15 PM PST by be131
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Dream on, it isn't going to happen. Big business wants massive immigration so they can get lots and lots of cheap labor.

Big business also wants business, and in these tougher economic times every customer counts. When I'm making choices, I'm avoiding products, donut shops, amusements, etc. where foreigners are hired when there is an alternative with US citizens employed. If anyone asks me (and people are beginning to say to me..."you're informed, what can the little guy do?) I'm suggesting this.

This isn't a boycott...they offer too much and deliver too little. It's just a little something one individual at a time to make hiring illegals less profitable...a percent here, a percent there can really mess up the bottom line.

And write to companies (like Tyson) who hire illegals and tell them you're going to buy Perdue!!!

9 posted on 01/25/2002 9:14:12 PM PST by grania
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To: Billy_bob_bob
"Dream on, it isn't going to happen. Big business wants massive immigration so they can get lots and lots of cheap labor."

True, and to depress American wages. Big business loves the "free market" unless it interferes with their profits. He may instate some system, with perks for Mexian labor. Remember Bush's pre-911 statement that he wanted to legalize 3 million mexicans because "we need the labor."

10 posted on 01/25/2002 9:15:03 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Shermy
Bush never said he wanted to make 3 million illegals - legal. I'll give you $100 if you can come up with a direct quote of him saying this !
11 posted on 01/25/2002 9:20:05 PM PST by america-rules
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To: be131
There is already such a system in existence. However, the "technology" it relies on is a piece of paper stapled into the alien's passport.

And it works pretty good, if you can get the idiots to turn it in when they leave. But since they don't turn it in and INS won't let the Inspectors do outbound inspections, it don't work worth a damn.

12 posted on 01/25/2002 9:22:02 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: america-rules
Bush never said he wanted to make 3 million illegals - legal. I'll give you $100 if you can come up with a direct quote of him saying this!

Your are right, he never said it himself. He had the White House staff leak it to the media, for him, and when he found out that it was unpopulare, he denied that the rumors came from his staff.

Then he came up with his Guest Worker program. Unfourtunatly, most people don't know that this program will lead to residency and then Citizenship.

13 posted on 01/25/2002 9:32:02 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: america-rules
Looking, looking. He did say it, mostly the issue was raised by "trial balloons" in early July 2001. Here's a July 20 article I found on the net:

" The Bush administration's announcement earlier this week that it is considering a plan to "regularize" the status of 3 million undocumented Mexicans living in the United States has already provoked a big debate, but I wouldn't be surprised if the U.S. action eventually materializes.

The White House says it has temporarily discarded the idea of an automatic amnesty, which conservative Republicans say would amount to rewarding illegal immigration. But the fact that Bush is considering a multistage process to confer legal status to Mexican undocumented workers could well open the doors to their citizenship.

The wisdom among U.S. political strategists is that Bush, who got only 35 percent of the Hispanic vote in the 2000 election, will need at least 40 percent of the Hispanic vote if he runs for re-election in 2004. Courting the Mexican vote would be a top priority for him, because Mexican-Americans are by far the largest U.S. Hispanic group. Mexican-Americans vote overwhelmingly Democratic, because they associate Republicans with anti-migrant policies such as those championed by former California Gov. Pete Wilson. "

What happened is that Bush floated the first idea and their was quite a reaction. Then he backpedaled to some "guest-worker" or other legalization hocus-pocus, then Democrats raised the issue why only Mexicans? then Bush admin. types said they would consider that too, then 911 happened, the Vicente Fox quickly came back to Washington to see if the deal was going on, then it was put aside, and now Bush is talking about reviving in a few months time.

14 posted on 01/25/2002 9:52:42 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Marine Inspector
The day it was reported that Bush said he wanted to make 3 million illegals - legal he had a press conference in VA or somewhere and one of the first questions was about amnesty. His answer was that he was not for amnesty and never said he was. For some reason those on the right keep saying he said he was for amnesty. Mike Savage was quoting an article just last week and he kept saying Bush was for illegals getting unemployment benefits and the article didn't say he was for this at all. MICHELLE MALKIN was on foxnews two days ago and said Bush wanted to legalize 8 million mexicans - pure spin on her part!

Now, as for businesses wanting mexicans to work for them it is 100% true. They work for less and do work 99.99% of us don't want to do. Doesn't it make sence to have them here working legally so we can tax the workers as well as the businesses employing them? They're going to be here anyway so why not have them here legally with the sponsor (business) responsible for their health care, deducting payroll and fed taxes, etc..?

15 posted on 01/25/2002 9:55:03 PM PST by america-rules
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A White House official said a technology for the tracking system has not been chosen, but that biometric equipment -- which can identify people through biological markers, such as their faces, palms or irises -- will be considered.

Can someone please explain this further. I am unclear how this tracking system will make the borders more secure. If I read it correctly, citizens will not have to present biometric identification--and so I presume only their passports/papers. Noncitizens declaring themselves as noncitizens will have to submit to the biometric data collection.

Here is the problem I forsee. Biometric data is virtually impossible to fake, but papers (passports, etc.) are not. If a terrorist wanted to gain access to the country, it would still be simpler--even under this new system--to fake paper identification. So, that leaves only 2 possibilities:
a) Only honest noncitizens will be tracked. In fact, I am not sure how the U.S. would convince noncitizens to submit to biometric data collection, but for the sake of arguement, I will assume the answer will be no entry without it.
b) This will not just apply to noncitizens. Therefore, no likelihood of forgery.

Please correct me if I am reading this wrong.

16 posted on 01/25/2002 9:55:12 PM PST by Calico
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To: america-rules
Here's a July 15, 2001 thread relating to the subject:

Bush Aides Weigh Legalizing Status of Mexicans in U.S. (Amnesty Days are Here Again!)

17 posted on 01/25/2002 10:04:43 PM PST by Shermy
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To: america-rules
Here's a July 15, 2001 thread relating to the subject:

Bush Aides Weigh Legalizing Status of Mexicans in U.S. (Amnesty Days are Here Again!)

18 posted on 01/25/2002 10:04:59 PM PST by Shermy
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To: america-rules
"Amnesty" is a meaningless buzzword for Bush. He wanted to "legalize" them, and said so. He played around with the word "blanket" amnesty. Here's one from July 27:

President Bush said Thursday that the White House effort to confer legal status on millions of undocumented immigrants from Mexico might be extended to all others who are in the United States unlawfully.

"Well, we'll consider all folks here," Bush said in response to a reporter's question. "Obviously, the Mexican issue is at the forefront. . . . But I'm open-minded. I'll listen to all proposals that people have in mind." The president's comments were his first on immigration reform since a high-level administration task force recently recommended that he consider ways to "regularize" the status of the 3 million to 4 million undocumented Mexican immigrants in this country.

Bush emphasized that he opposes a "blanket" amnesty--"The American people need to know that," he said--while providing few details about who would qualify for new, legal status. Administration officials are considering several options for an immigration policy overhaul, including some sort of amnesty for undocumented immigrants and a new guest worker status that would legitimize many who entered the country unlawfully but which might stop short of granting full citizenship.

19 posted on 01/25/2002 10:09:22 PM PST by Shermy
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To: america-rules
The day it was reported that Bush said he wanted to make 3 million illegals - legal he had a press conference in VA or somewhere and one of the first questions was about amnesty. His answer was that he was not for amnesty and never said he was.

I recall this press conference, but the rumors of amnesty started in the White House before this press conference. This press conference was when he first stated that he was not for a blanket amnesty, and the reason the right keep saying he wanted amnesty, was because it was leaked by the White House.

Bush sent out a ballon early after talking with Fox, to see which way the wind was blowing. It was a favorite tactic of his father during his Presidency.

20 posted on 01/25/2002 10:09:57 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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