Civil Liberties Groups Challenge USA Patriot Act

CNS News ^ | 21 Jan 2002 | Lawrence Morahan

[Doctor Doom]

Scrap the whole damn thing.

Ashcroft, too. He's just Reno in drag.

[illbenice]

IT's nice to see that people are challenging this anti constitutional law. I cant beleive our law makers passed a law that walks right over the fourth ammendment.

[sargon]

Civil Liberties Groups Challenge USA Patriot Act

Good. It's time for the unconstitutional portions of this tyrannical law to be stricken down.

[Doctor Doom]

I cant beleive our law makers passed a law that walks right over the fourth ammendment.

Most admit they didn't even read it before voting for it.

[OWK]

The very fact that they called such rubbish a "Patriot act" gives you some indication of it's Orwellian overtones.

Slavery is Freedom..?

Sorry... not buying it.

[OWK]

Most admit they didn't even read it before voting for it.

Unfortunately that's true of almost everything passed by congress.

Things are so loaded with pork and palm-greasing provisions in order to get passed, that they can't possibly be read in their entirety.

[PatrioticAmerican]

BTTT

[Doctor Doom]

Too true.

[Principled]

Good. This patriot act should be read by lawmakers... they haven't read it yet. There was political hell to pay if they did. And to most of them, thier political power has more value than American values or our Constitution.

Much will be struck down. Good.

Maybe I need to fire a check off to these guys.

[verboten]

The problem with the Act is that its enforcement is so secret by nature that one doesn't even know when they are being victimized by it. It is true tyranny at its best. This makes it hard to have standing in court. That is, you must be a victim of this law before you can bring suit. But how do you know you are a victim of a law that by its very nature demands the government operate in secrecy and not inform you that you are being monitored?

[Tauzero]

"Most admit they didn't even read it before voting for it."

True for most bills.

My question is: Of what use is a representative government when our representatives seldom even read the bills on which they vote?

[verboten]

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, unless you are one of the spineless SOBs that voted for the darn thing? Both parties have show how little care they have for the Constitution, and the rule of law.

And is this the same government that will pass laws to protect us dumb consumers from the fine print of contracts we willingly sign, but it wont itself read the laws it says are made to protect us? Yikes!

[cake_crumb]

"I cant beleive our law makers passed a law that walks right over the fourth ammendment."

Surely you jest.

[IRtorqued]

why bother reading a bill that the sole purpose of which is to steal, steal power, steal money and steal freedom. every day is one day closer to the day people will have to decide to live as free persons or as slaves.

[IRtorqued]

Creating a Dumbed-Down Populace - to Accept Global Governance ^

[stimulate]

If you don't know that you're a victim, than you're not. Why should the federal government want to harrass individuals that are not involved in serious crimes?If your friend is a terrorist and telephones you from time to time, you will probably be investigated, but so what? Isn't it more important to safeguard our society when we're at war?

[BenR2]

IT's nice to see that people are challenging this anti constitutional law. I cant beleive our law makers passed a law that walks right over the fourth ammendment.

I am too. After all, our Federal lawmakers are normally obsessed with keeping to the letter of the law and original intent of the framers when drafting legislation. [Sarcasm off.]

[BenR2]

If you don't know that you're a victim, than you're not. Why should the federal government want to harrass individuals that are not involved in serious crimes?If your friend is a terrorist and telephones you from time to time, you will probably be investigated, but so what? Isn't it more important to safeguard our society when we're at war?

Take aspirin, get plenty of rest, and read portions of Solzhenitzyn's Gulag Archipelago three times daily, and you'll likely recover your rational faculties soon.

[BenR2]

why bother reading a bill that the sole purpose of which is to steal, steal power, steal money and steal freedom. every day is one day closer to the day people will have to decide to live as free persons or as slaves.

Will you please quit beating around the bush and tell us what you really think? (Grin.)