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To: sheltonmac; Literati1984; nobdysfool
Look at it this way: If Christ purchased salvation for all, then why would anyone go to hell? Is it because Christ's blood covers all sin except the sin of rejecting the gospel? If that is so, then obviously his sacrifice was insufficient.

Amen.

"Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth." -- Mark 9:23

And if we can believe, it is only through the gift of God's grace upon the fallen sinner.

First grace; then belief. Otherwise it's a work of man's ability to believe; something none of us has unless and until He turns us from darkness towards the light.

Salvation is all of God, and none of us; or else it isn't mercy, it's payment due for service (belief) rendered.

Faith is the evidence of our salvation; not a requirement for it.

1,827 posted on 01/21/2005 11:04:35 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

That's the difference between being saved by faith and being saved by grace through faith.

1,829 posted on 01/21/2005 12:45:14 PM PST by sheltonmac ("Duty is ours; consequences are God's." -Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth." -- Mark 9:23

And if we can believe, it is only through the gift of God's grace upon the fallen sinner.

Has anybody who claims that their faith/belief precedes salvation/regeneration bothered to explain how they pulled off this stunt despite Jeremiah 9:17 and Proverbs 28:26?

It seems they only have three verses that they like to trot out (and always out of context - must be a requirement) Joshua 24:15 (...choose you this day...), John 3:16 (...whosoever believes...) and 2 Peter 3:9 ("..not wanting any to perish...") and then abandon out there undefended, as if just merely uttering these verses somehow silence the balance of Scripture that teaches man's inability.

1,831 posted on 01/23/2005 7:12:35 PM PST by Reuben Hick
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