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To: CCWoody
We know that the unevangelized souls are doomed as having no atonement if we Christians can't even get to them with the New Testament message.)

So you're saying that Moses, Noah, David, Solomon, and Abel are all in Hell?

1,349 posted on 01/28/2002 4:31:03 PM PST by ShadowAce
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To: ShadowAce; the_doc
So you're saying that Moses, Noah, David, Solomon, and Abel are all in Hell?
John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day; and He saw it and was glad.
The point is that the OT saints were saved in the same way that we are; by rejoicing in the Blood that was shed for us. They looked forward and we look back.

Read that post again. It really does have a very good question for you to answer if you are going to maintain that Christ died for all men everywhere.

Psalm 95:10-11 Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said `It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known My ways.' Unto them I swore in My wrath, that they should not enter into My rest."
In what sense did Christ die for those people? Please see Hebrews 4 before you answer.
1,353 posted on 01/28/2002 4:46:42 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: ShadowAce; Jerry_M; the_doc
So you're saying that Moses, Noah, David, Solomon, and Abel are all in Hell?

Thinking about it over night I have concluded that when you assert that Christ did not die for the OT saints, you are the one saying that they are all in Hell.

From my morning prayer time:

Psalm 143:2 And enter not into judgment with Thy servant, for in Thy sight shall no man living be justified.
It is just silly for you to assert that anybody under the law could obtain salvation:
Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law, no flesh shall be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Your view will have a very hard time explaining this verse as well:
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world.
The OT saints are justified exactly as the NT saints; they look forward in faith to Christ and we look back, just as I said.
1,398 posted on 01/29/2002 5:00:34 AM PST by CCWoody
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