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To: ShadowAce; the_doc
So you're saying that Moses, Noah, David, Solomon, and Abel are all in Hell?
John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day; and He saw it and was glad.
The point is that the OT saints were saved in the same way that we are; by rejoicing in the Blood that was shed for us. They looked forward and we look back.

Read that post again. It really does have a very good question for you to answer if you are going to maintain that Christ died for all men everywhere.

Psalm 95:10-11 Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said `It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known My ways.' Unto them I swore in My wrath, that they should not enter into My rest."
In what sense did Christ die for those people? Please see Hebrews 4 before you answer.
1,353 posted on 01/28/2002 4:46:42 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
In what sense did Christ die for those people?

I believe you misunderstood the point of my post. Christ did not die for those people--nor for any in the Old Testament. The rules changed from the Old Testament to the New Testament scriptures. While they had to law to push away their sins (for a short time), we have Christ to erase ours.

When I said that Christ died for all men, I was speaking of the present time--from His death til now.

As far as the natives in New Guinea, I don't know about their salvation--I am not their Judge, and the Bible makes no mention of those who have not heard the message--hence (I believe) the purpose of the Great Commission.

Speaking of which--given that God has a purpose in everything He does, why give us the Great Commission if we have no say in whether we are saved or not? If we have no say, and God determines everyone's fate without any input from us, why evangelize? Why purposefully condemn His own creation to Hell through no fault of its own? Why introduce the Tree in the Garden? Why allow Satan free reign on Earth? Why not destroy Lucifer during the initial rebellion?

As you can see, many more questions arise from Calvinism that it cannot answer than to allow for the fact that it is us who ultimately accept His gift of eternal life--not Him.

1,356 posted on 01/28/2002 5:00:24 PM PST by ShadowAce
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To: ShadowAce; the_doc
In what sense did Christ die for these people?
Psalm 78:21-22, 30-31 Therefore the LORD heard this and was wroth; so a fire was kindled against Jacob, and anger also rose up against Israel, because they believed not in God and trusted not in His salvation,... But they were not estranged from their lust; but while their meat was yet in their mouths, the wrath of God came upon them and slew the fattest of them, and smote down the chosen men of Israel.

1,358 posted on 01/28/2002 5:04:49 PM PST by CCWoody
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