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SAUDIS TELL U.S. FORCES TO GET OUT
The Guardian ^ | 01-18-02 | The Guardian

Posted on 01/18/2002 5:13:23 PM PST by StopDemocratsDotCom

Saudis tell US forces to get out ;Foreign soldiers seen as political liability

Saudi Arabia's rulers are poised to throw US strategy in the Middle East into disarray by asking Washington to pull its forces out of the kingdom because they have become a "political liability". Senior Saudi officials have privately complained that the US has "outstayed its welcome" and that the kingdom may soon request that the American presence - a product of the Gulf war - is brought to an end.

Both the White House and the US state department insisted yesterday that the military arrangement between the two countries was still working. The White House spokesman, Ari Fleischer, said that the president, George Bush, "believes that our presence in the region has a very helpful and stabilising effect in a dangerous region".

Relations between the US and Saudi Arabia, Washington's closest Arab ally, have been severely strained since September 11. Both sides have been desperately denying for months that there is a rift.

The US is reluctant to withdraw its 4,500 troops from the Prince Sultan air base, south of Saudi's capital Riyadh, because it could be perceived as a propaganda victory for Osama bin Laden, who frequently protested at the presence of non-believers so close to the main Muslim holy sites.

But the increasingly brittle and vulnerable ruling House of Saud is nervous about an internal revolt by Bin Laden's al-Qaida terror network and other extremist militants, and has been publicly loosening its links with Washington.

The huge Prince Sultan air base played a crucial logistical role in the bombing of Afghanistan. Withdrawal would upset the military balance in the Middle East by providing a boost to the Iraqi president, Saddam Hussein. US planes based in Saudi regularly bomb along the Iraqi border as part of its policy of containment of Saddam.

Britain, which jointly patrols the Iraqi no-fly zone with the US, has planes based both in Saudi and Kuwait. A pull-out by Washington would switch the focus to the British air base in Kuwait, whose leaders try to avoid drawing attention to the British presence.

Two senior US state department officials have been in Saudi this week: William Burns, the assistant secretary for the near east, and Lincoln Bloomfield, the assistant secretary for political and military affairs.

The US state department insisted yesterday that at no point during Mr Bloomfield's visit, either formally or informally, had the Saudis said they wanted the US to leave.

But the US ambassador to Saudi, Robert Jordan, was quoted as saying when Mr Bloomfield arrived in the kingdom: "He is here for consultations with the Saudi government to review our presence here and to discuss what we need and what we don't need."

The US secretary of state, Colin Powell, who is in Nepal, denied the Saudis wanted a withdrawal: "There has been no discussion of such an issue."

Many in the US have been upset with Saudi because not only is it Bin Laden's native country but 15 of the 19 terrorists involved in the September 11 attacks were from the kingdom. The Saudi media have reported that about 200 Saudis have been captured in Afghanistan fighting with al-Qaida and the Taliban.

The kingdom is volatile, with a stagnant economy, high unemployment, no democratic outlets and King Fahd unable to crack down on militant clerics.

Hostility to the US is widespread but that is mirrored in the US where there is a huge well of resentment that, having fought to push back Iraq in 1991 and having protected Saudi since, Riyadh refused to provide military help during the Afghan campaign.

Reflecting this, Carl Levin, who heads the US Senate armed services committee, said: "We need a base in that region, but it seems to me we should find a place that is more hospitable."

Bin Laden listed as the main justifications for the attacks on New York and Washington the presence of the US soldiers in the kingdom, US support for Israel in the conflict with the Palestinians, and the US campaign against Iraq. He said six years ago: "There is no more important duty than pushing the American enemy out of the holy land [of Arabia]."

The US could continue its containment of Iraq from aircraft carriers based in the Gulf. But the US air force secretary, James Roche, said a pull-out would make life awkward: "It would be difficult, unless we could replicate the air operations centre somewhere else."


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To: connectthedots
Thats why I would be favor of Saddam occupying the country for a few months. Let Saddam exterminate the Wahabbi sect then make him pull out one way or another.
81 posted on 01/18/2002 6:32:37 PM PST by weikel
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
Long term, we don't need their oil...never did...but we need the Alaskan pipeline to pump 100% instead of 60% and stack a second pipe on top which it was designed to have... uncap our wells etc. Don't believe the crap about not having enough oil in this nation...we do
82 posted on 01/18/2002 6:32:48 PM PST by alphadog
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
Freepers I want some reaction to this. I don't know what to make of this.

Let us see, the state department says one thing and the commie Guardian says something else, and there is no evidence one way or the other. Who to believe, the commies or our government, what a puzzlement!

83 posted on 01/18/2002 6:33:02 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Gladwin
The Saudi are our enemies, and the US shouldn't have a base there.

keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

84 posted on 01/18/2002 6:33:34 PM PST by gfactor
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
"SAUDIS TELL U.S. FORCES TO GET OUT "

this is perfect....now, we should tell the u.n. to get out,
n go to "Ha'il", saudi arabia....
if only p.j. o'rourke was the press sec., he could get away with it, then say, "only kidding..."

85 posted on 01/18/2002 6:35:00 PM PST by hoot2
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To: Rome2000
The enemy states are in green and yellow!

Uh, they're all green and yellow.

You voted for Buchanan, I'll bet.

86 posted on 01/18/2002 6:36:55 PM PST by Physicist
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
Good. I'm sorry it has to be under such circumstances. But I hope we listen and get out. We've most certainly overstayed.
87 posted on 01/18/2002 6:37:28 PM PST by Demidog
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To: Bonaparte
You can always rely on those screaming Guardian headlines to misrepresent the facts.

. . . and that the kingdom may soon request that the American presence . . .

Spot on. The Guardian is trying to spin the future.

My 5 year prediction:

US forces in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, & Kuwait.
House of Saud in Switzerland sharing quarters with Saddam Hussein.
An Iranian counter-revolution. New government modeled on the Turkish system.
Israel still the target of Arab hate (and so it goes). . .

88 posted on 01/18/2002 6:39:06 PM PST by dread78645
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To: Shermy
Screw Saddam. Iraq was once a part of Turkey in the Ottoman Empire days. Turkey would do a better job of ruling it. Turkey is a NATO ally and would allow us use of their bases in their Iraq province.
89 posted on 01/18/2002 6:41:32 PM PST by Rubber Duckie
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To: Psycho_Bunny
I guess they really want to be a province of Iraq.

Observe how the Saudis behaved since summer 1990, when then Sec.'s Cheney and Baker started negotiating with them over this possible scenario. Some believe the Saudis actually do struggle with this choice - U.S. or Hussein.
People dwell on our not having assassinated Hussein instead of at least one other important outcome of the Gulf War - that the Spitoon Clintoon administration should have led us out of our dependency on Mideast oil.
This on again off again story over the last few days do they want us or don't they - it is no different from the way the Saudis have been in at least the past 10 years. We are nuts for depending on them.

90 posted on 01/18/2002 6:43:23 PM PST by RLJVet
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To: RLJVet
off italics, off!
91 posted on 01/18/2002 6:45:32 PM PST by RLJVet
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
Any bets how long before Justin Romandado runs an extra using this for another diatribe from Antiwar.com?
92 posted on 01/18/2002 6:46:08 PM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: dread78645
so be it, id give the saudis a big "F YOU!" sayonara baby!! dont let our bombs hit you on the ass on OUR way out! YOU'RE WITH IS, OR YOU'RE AGAINST US!! the saudis clearly choose the side of the "arab world" and they will have to live/die with their choice. i believe it will happen, they will ask us to leave, and we should, gladly. the ungrateful miserable camel jockeys have short memories. we're there to protect their sorry butts!! if we werent there in 1991, after kuwait, it was saudi arabia for iraq. maybe we should get out and let the morons kill each other. we'll just have to annihilate them all from turkey's bases and all of those other countries up north there, amereareaizakamakakastan and whatever else they are. didnt rummy go there a few weeks ago? i say he did! he wasnt there to share a ham dinner with them for christmas.
93 posted on 01/18/2002 6:47:33 PM PST by nocommies
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
The Prince Sultan Airbase is a huge facility, (Built by Bin Laden Construction) Not to mention very accomidating. Today I heard almost every branch of our Government shoot this report down like an Iraqi flown Mig29. What the Saudi's are doing is playing politics with the uncontrollable's they are harbouring. In other words, Paul Begala is their new spin doctor
94 posted on 01/18/2002 6:47:37 PM PST by MJY1288
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To: cdwright
Haven't you figured it out. Red China will begin moving in at their invitation to 'protect' their oil and their interests against the U.S.
95 posted on 01/18/2002 6:47:40 PM PST by CreekerFreeper
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
Good. While we're pulling out our troops let's pull out all our damned foreign aid and drill in the ANWR and anywhere else we can so we can stop buying oil from these faithless "friends". What do you call a country whose most modern institution is thirteenth-century caliphate government? Saudi Arabia.
96 posted on 01/18/2002 6:48:00 PM PST by Jonathon Spectre
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
The US is reluctant to withdraw its 4,500 troops from the Prince Sultan air base, south of Saudi's capital Riyadh, because it could be perceived as a propaganda victory for Osama bin Laden, who frequently protested at the presence of non-believers so close to the main Muslim holy sites.

Or it could be perceived as a confirmation that this is a war of Islam vs. America (read: the West).

97 posted on 01/18/2002 6:49:02 PM PST by mrustow
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To: Republic
Saudi's are such cowards. No wonder one of the world's most horrendous terrorist was born and bred there. Shame on those short sighted spoiled royal jerks.

Now I'm glad that reporter guy asked the Saudi guy about a Saudi prince running from Saddam like a scalded dog during Desert Storm.

98 posted on 01/18/2002 6:49:56 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
The US secretary of state, Colin Powell, who is in Nepal, denied the Saudis wanted a withdrawal: "There has been no discussion of such an issue."

The Saudis would make an attractive target. They have no military. They have plenty of oil. And they're surrounded by rotten fascist Arab scumbags ... Would you kick out the U.S. under these same circumstances?
99 posted on 01/18/2002 6:50:40 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: connectthedots
Carter abandoned the Shah of Iran. The House of Saud can't possibly be so stupid as to volunteer for the same outcome.

There's an old Arab saying: No one ever went broke, underestimating the intelligence of the House of Saud.

100 posted on 01/18/2002 6:51:58 PM PST by mrustow
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