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SAUDIS TELL U.S. FORCES TO GET OUT
The Guardian ^ | 01-18-02 | The Guardian

Posted on 01/18/2002 5:13:23 PM PST by StopDemocratsDotCom

Saudis tell US forces to get out ;Foreign soldiers seen as political liability

Saudi Arabia's rulers are poised to throw US strategy in the Middle East into disarray by asking Washington to pull its forces out of the kingdom because they have become a "political liability". Senior Saudi officials have privately complained that the US has "outstayed its welcome" and that the kingdom may soon request that the American presence - a product of the Gulf war - is brought to an end.

Both the White House and the US state department insisted yesterday that the military arrangement between the two countries was still working. The White House spokesman, Ari Fleischer, said that the president, George Bush, "believes that our presence in the region has a very helpful and stabilising effect in a dangerous region".

Relations between the US and Saudi Arabia, Washington's closest Arab ally, have been severely strained since September 11. Both sides have been desperately denying for months that there is a rift.

The US is reluctant to withdraw its 4,500 troops from the Prince Sultan air base, south of Saudi's capital Riyadh, because it could be perceived as a propaganda victory for Osama bin Laden, who frequently protested at the presence of non-believers so close to the main Muslim holy sites.

But the increasingly brittle and vulnerable ruling House of Saud is nervous about an internal revolt by Bin Laden's al-Qaida terror network and other extremist militants, and has been publicly loosening its links with Washington.

The huge Prince Sultan air base played a crucial logistical role in the bombing of Afghanistan. Withdrawal would upset the military balance in the Middle East by providing a boost to the Iraqi president, Saddam Hussein. US planes based in Saudi regularly bomb along the Iraqi border as part of its policy of containment of Saddam.

Britain, which jointly patrols the Iraqi no-fly zone with the US, has planes based both in Saudi and Kuwait. A pull-out by Washington would switch the focus to the British air base in Kuwait, whose leaders try to avoid drawing attention to the British presence.

Two senior US state department officials have been in Saudi this week: William Burns, the assistant secretary for the near east, and Lincoln Bloomfield, the assistant secretary for political and military affairs.

The US state department insisted yesterday that at no point during Mr Bloomfield's visit, either formally or informally, had the Saudis said they wanted the US to leave.

But the US ambassador to Saudi, Robert Jordan, was quoted as saying when Mr Bloomfield arrived in the kingdom: "He is here for consultations with the Saudi government to review our presence here and to discuss what we need and what we don't need."

The US secretary of state, Colin Powell, who is in Nepal, denied the Saudis wanted a withdrawal: "There has been no discussion of such an issue."

Many in the US have been upset with Saudi because not only is it Bin Laden's native country but 15 of the 19 terrorists involved in the September 11 attacks were from the kingdom. The Saudi media have reported that about 200 Saudis have been captured in Afghanistan fighting with al-Qaida and the Taliban.

The kingdom is volatile, with a stagnant economy, high unemployment, no democratic outlets and King Fahd unable to crack down on militant clerics.

Hostility to the US is widespread but that is mirrored in the US where there is a huge well of resentment that, having fought to push back Iraq in 1991 and having protected Saudi since, Riyadh refused to provide military help during the Afghan campaign.

Reflecting this, Carl Levin, who heads the US Senate armed services committee, said: "We need a base in that region, but it seems to me we should find a place that is more hospitable."

Bin Laden listed as the main justifications for the attacks on New York and Washington the presence of the US soldiers in the kingdom, US support for Israel in the conflict with the Palestinians, and the US campaign against Iraq. He said six years ago: "There is no more important duty than pushing the American enemy out of the holy land [of Arabia]."

The US could continue its containment of Iraq from aircraft carriers based in the Gulf. But the US air force secretary, James Roche, said a pull-out would make life awkward: "It would be difficult, unless we could replicate the air operations centre somewhere else."


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To: Howie66
Gee, I wonder if comments like that have anything to do why they want us to leave?
141 posted on 01/18/2002 8:21:05 PM PST by ipatent
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To: Gladwin
Time for a little original thinking. How hard would it be to construct a number of oil platforms in the Gulf in international waters up near the north end, link them together and create a big floating airfield. I know I've seen similar proposals in the past in Popular Science. We would have an in place base for force projection, and NO restrictions on it's use as there would be no "Host Country". Maybe we could even drill for some oil while we're there.
142 posted on 01/18/2002 8:32:19 PM PST by Kozak
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
We need to leave. We are proping up a KING. Left to there own devices they royal family will soon fall. We stand for Democracy and Freedom. Both are lacking in Saudi Arabia. Maybe we should arm the common man in saudi and see how long the Royals last.
143 posted on 01/18/2002 8:34:40 PM PST by Newbomb Turk
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To: StopDemocratsdotcom
I stand corrected. It was former US Ambassador Freeman to Saudi, who was quoted in the Post.
144 posted on 01/18/2002 8:35:57 PM PST by YaYa123
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
fine, just curious though, who's going to buy your oil
145 posted on 01/18/2002 8:38:33 PM PST by scottinoc
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To: Republic
Shame on those short sighted spoiled royal jerks

There's nothing "royal" about the Saudi ruling elites, who sit on golden toilets while the common folks beg for scraps in the streets.

I'd sure hate to be in their turbins on judgement day.

146 posted on 01/18/2002 8:49:53 PM PST by Bullish
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To: rintense
"As I said on an earlier thread, this is more reason to back ANWAR as well as a progressive and agressive energy policy for the United States."

How do you get this through the thick skulls of the Demoncrats and Envirowackos?

147 posted on 01/18/2002 8:50:26 PM PST by holyscroller
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To: DainBramage
"Actually, if you believe in what the Bible says, our support for Israel has been a scource of blessing to our country for a long time and, IMO, is the main reason we are as prosperous as we are today."

You're exactly right. Regarding Israel, the Bible says God will bless those who bless her, and curse those who her. The minute we withdraw our support of Israel, God will withdraw His hand of protection from the United States.

148 posted on 01/18/2002 8:57:29 PM PST by holyscroller
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To: Republic
Saudi Arabia's rulers are poised to throw US strategy in the Middle East into disarray by asking Washington to pull its forces out of the kingdom because they have become a "political liability".

After Sept. 11th, and the preceding four months, I say just not ask Arab countries for any kind of permission. Just send in the bombers at will! (I'm all Arabed out!)

149 posted on 01/18/2002 9:00:05 PM PST by ChaseR
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To: sarasmom
"If that means we have a lot of private US and international companies go bankrupt-OK.That is business," I don't think GW would let that happen. Unfortunately, he truly is in the pocket of the big multinational corporations, witness his love of doing anything to keep them in the cheap labor of Mexico, even if it means sacrificing our sovreignty.
150 posted on 01/18/2002 9:11:25 PM PST by holyscroller
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
It's their funeral! Any bets on how long the wealthy, corrupt Fahd family lasts in power once we're gone???
151 posted on 01/18/2002 9:28:31 PM PST by brat
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To: steveo
Fuel cells will be the demise of the Saudi regime.

I have read some articles on the emerging fuel cell technology, and I am very optimistic about the possibilities. But remember, if fuel cells ever do become a commonplace substitute for fossil fuels, we can expect the enviro-wackos to issue dire warnings about the planet's dwindling supplies of H2O!

152 posted on 01/18/2002 9:39:00 PM PST by pariah
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To: pariah
We have the Great Lakes America will have no problem with that even if the enviro wackos are right.
153 posted on 01/18/2002 9:46:49 PM PST by weikel
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
Let Iraq have them. It will spread the Iraqi troops out across even more indefensible terrain. Then, we can liberate the bunch, administer it as a protectorate (a la Japan, 1946+), and hold elections. Imagine, actual elections in an Arab country. That will freak the Royal Family more than Sadam at the gates....
154 posted on 01/18/2002 9:53:51 PM PST by Uncle Miltie
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To: Gladwin
The Saudi are our enemies

They are the strangest-behaving friends I've ever seen.

Cool map you posted. I checked the PROPERTIES and tried to go to the source but I get a "Page Not Found" error. Can you direct me to the source for others like this? I would love to be able to look up stuff like this online.

155 posted on 01/18/2002 10:49:02 PM PST by GretchenEE
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To: Gladwin
Pls ignore my last request -- I deleted the map specifics and just went to the first part of the URL and it worked. What a treasure trove you have given me with this map (and now, with its source)!
156 posted on 01/18/2002 11:06:12 PM PST by GretchenEE
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
wussa madda?? poor babies mad that we may buy russian & mexican oil instead?
suck our exhaust ya' ungrateful flea bags!
157 posted on 01/18/2002 11:41:03 PM PST by rockfish59
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
Couldn't handle reading beyond title and first paragraph. 5:32am now...but I bet I couldn't do it at high noon either.

Liquid Hyrogen fuel, and all it's brothers and sisters, seems to be the trump card in all this sort of Arab unpleasantness...and I say we launch it on 'em...and sober 'em up real good...real fast.

158 posted on 01/19/2002 1:39:59 AM PST by PoorMuttly
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To: Sabertooth
Bring the troops and every last canteen and bullet out.

Thereafter, regard the Saudi oil fields as a US strategic naional interest only. If the oil stops flowing, sieze them with the 82nd airborne and put them under direct US control.

159 posted on 01/19/2002 6:02:13 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
Believe it when you hear it from a source other then The Guardian. This rag is Britain's answer to Pravda.
160 posted on 01/19/2002 6:09:58 AM PST by OKSooner
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