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[Major Catholic Schism Partially Ended!!!]: Lefebvre Catholics opt for full communion with Rome
www.FIDES.org ^ | 1-18-2002 | staff

Posted on 01/18/2002 1:10:57 PM PST by Notwithstanding

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To: sinkspur
Just so we understand what 'duck' is talking about here. This is a loose coalition of the Maronite with the Druze (heretical Muslims) against SYRIAN occupation of Lebanon and has nothing to do with ganging up on Jews.
41 posted on 01/18/2002 2:17:51 PM PST by Lent
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Is the picture of the Pope with a Muslim verified that he is kissing the Koran, or is it a bible. Does anyone know? V's wife.
42 posted on 01/18/2002 2:22:44 PM PST by ventana
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To: Lent
Thanks. I often can't discern what "duck" is talking about.
43 posted on 01/18/2002 2:24:11 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: onyx
If we continue to receive encouraging news, you may never sleep again.:)
44 posted on 01/18/2002 2:25:15 PM PST by EODGUY
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To: Jim-FREEportPA
I don't mind it posted at all. I guess I was hoping for something that lived up to its billing in the editorialized headline and justified it as breaking news.

Admittedly, I'm not Catholic, and I don't know whether Jimmy Lefebvre is. He did write me a letter once which I think I still have.

I do like the trading card idea. There is money to be made there. ;-)

45 posted on 01/18/2002 2:28:31 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Lent
Read the history of the Druze and Maronites. I pointed out the sources how it is coming back. You however, lambast Issa and say he has a connection with Arab terrorist and he is a Lebanese Christian.

I happen to agree there may be some sympathy held by Issa. But I draw the line when the JDL tries to "off" the guy. You don't, you support the JDL.

Your rants are riddled with contradictions.

46 posted on 01/18/2002 2:30:47 PM PST by duck soup
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To: EODGUY
True enough today! I'm still thrilled sleepless!
47 posted on 01/18/2002 2:31:31 PM PST by onyx
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To: sinkspur
What's the tridentine mass?
48 posted on 01/18/2002 2:38:02 PM PST by Rodney King
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Why has the Breaking News section suddenly become a proving ground for Catholic issues?

Catholics are the largest denomination of Christians in the world. Many of them (including myself) are represented on FR. Get over it.

49 posted on 01/18/2002 2:39:18 PM PST by Smogger
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To: Jim-FREEportPA
Bring Back Holy Cards! :)
50 posted on 01/18/2002 2:39:39 PM PST by roachie
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To: Rodney King
What's the tridentine mass?

It's the Mass the form of which was codified after the Council of Trent, hence 'Tridentine', and was the Mass celebrated up until the Second Vatican Council and shortly thereafter.

Here's a link.
51 posted on 01/18/2002 2:43:05 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: sinkspur, lent
Catholics, Jews Unite To Attack Scholar's Latest

In addition to a relatively consensual criticism of Pius XII's inaction to help Jews, Mr. Goldhagen also claims that the pope was an anti-Semite who collaborated with Nazi Germany - like Marshall Philippe Petain in France or Vidkun Quisling in Norway - most noticeably by signing a concordat agreement with Adolph Hitler in 1933.

(snip)Mr. Goldhagen goes on to describe as insufficient efforts made by the church since the war, from the "tepid and deeply flawed" Vatican II Council in 1965, which officially recognized that the Jews did not kill Jesus, to the "half-heartedness and historical fabrications" of the 1998 "We Remember" declaration by the church on the Holocaust, which acknowledged the shortcomings of the church during the war.

Which one of you supports Goldhagen's statements. And sinkspur, lent, how many traditional Catholics were killed by the Nazis.

52 posted on 01/18/2002 2:47:39 PM PST by duck soup
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To: Rodney King
The Mass of Pius V, mandated at the Council of Trent, and celebrated until Vatican II, when Paul VI promulgated the Novus Ordo (The New Order) Mass.

There are many SSPXer's here who will tell you that the Novus Ordo is bastardized and illegal, since Pius V said the Tridentine Mass was to be celebrated for "time immemorial." ` They also don't like the Novus Ordo because it's in the vernacular language, the priest faces the people, and a host of other changes from the Tridentine Mass.

No Pope can bind another Pope on matters of liturgy, so the Novus Ordo is the manner of celebrating the Mass used today.

The SSPX left in a huff in 1987, ostensibly over the Tridentine Mass, but really over the fact that its members didn't accept Vatican II.

The Tridentine Mass is permitted today, but only with special permission from the bishop..

54 posted on 01/18/2002 2:52:45 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: duck soup
Why are you cluttering up this thread with stuff that has nothing to do with the subject at hand?

I have no idea how many Catholics, traditional or otherwise, were killed by the Nazis.

55 posted on 01/18/2002 2:55:15 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Why has the Breaking News section suddenly become a proving ground for Catholic issues? by Psycho_Bunny

I think anytime there is negative Catholic breaking news stories that somebody should over and over again post positive ones. It kind of equalizes the bashing a little. I have no problem with that.
There are daily positive Catholic news stories being published by the hour in the news.

56 posted on 01/18/2002 3:04:03 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: sinkspur
The fact that you don't know how many traditional Catholics were killed speaks towards your own contradictions and bigotry.

After all it was the traditonal SSPXers that were killed.

You and lent sure do like to criticize the "bad" christians" and that is the point. History forgotten or ignored.

57 posted on 01/18/2002 3:04:39 PM PST by duck soup
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To: KJMorgan
The issue is not to outlaw the "Latin Mass". It is between The Mass of Pius V (Tridentine Mass) and the Mass of Paul VI (Novus Ordo, or New Mass).

In fact the New Mass is a "Latin Mass" because:

1) It is the Mass of the Latin or Roman Rite

2) It is promulgated in Latin, and Latin is its "offical" language

3) It cannot not be translated from Latin into any other language unless the Pope give an indult (N.B. Such permission has never been turn down since Vatican II. So much so that many people do not know that the NEW MASS is a LATIN MASS

58 posted on 01/18/2002 3:07:07 PM PST by HapaxLegamenon
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To: duck soup
I don't think people here would have a problem telling you millions died. They were trying to be tactfull telling you the issue you are bringing up is off topic for this thread.

An example would be like you talking about how to change a diaper while the rest of the thread is talking about abortion.

Come join THIS topic.

59 posted on 01/18/2002 3:09:07 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: duck soup
The fact that you don't know how many traditional Catholics were killed speaks towards your own contradictions and bigotry.

After all it was the traditonal SSPXers that were killed.

The SSPX wasn't in existence as an organization during WWII.

"Contradictions and bigotry"? What the hell is wrong with you?

Drunk already?

60 posted on 01/18/2002 3:11:52 PM PST by sinkspur
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