[Major Catholic Schism Partially Ended!!!]: Lefebvre Catholics opt for full communion with Rome

www.FIDES.org ^ | 1-18-2002 | staff

[The Old Hoosier]

This is big news, in and of itself. It'll probably be in the NYTimes, that bastion of Catholicism, this weekend.

[The Old Hoosier]

Whatever. Ever hear of the Society of St. Peter?

[duck soup]

Better that only a few Catholics should be left, staunch and sincere in their religion, than that they should, remaining many, desire as it were, to be in collusion with the Church's enemies and in conformity with the open foes of our faith. --St. Peter Canisius (1521-1597), one of the greatest Jesuit theologians, speaking of the Protestants, who were then introducing changes such as vernacular liturgies, the abolition of fasting laws, the removal of statues, and other diminutions of traditional Catholicism

If you haven't read of late, the Maronites and the Druze are forming an alliance in Lebanon. History repeating itself? Do you think someone had made a mistake in interpreting the Pope kissing the Quran. If they go on a rampage and kill innocent Jews will the Pope have to apologize?

[onyx]

Yes, yes, yes, a thousand times yes! LOL! Sounds "all too familiar" but I pray for a "special one's" return! Miracles happen!

[Psycho_Bunny]

Really? I haven't the slightest idea what it means. Never heard of a Lefewhatever Catholic.

Not that I'm flaming anyone.

[sinkspur]

And once the SSPXers are safely back in the fold, after a decent interval, they can finally and fully outlaw the Latin Mass. That's been the Vatican's aim from the start.

The Latin Mass has NEVER been outlawed. The Tridentine Mass was forbidden after Vatican II, but was later permitted by John Paul II.

It's not the Latin Mass that's the big hang up with the SSPX; it's Vatican II.

JPII is going to insist on acceptance of Vatican II for full communion, and he's not going to allow the Tridentine Mass to be celebrated by any priest any time he wants.

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

Why did you freely choose to view a thread posted in Breaking News about something Catholic?

[american colleen]

Why do you say that?

I'd love to know why you think the Vatican wants to "outlaw" the Latin Mass, I hadn't heard or read anything that would lead me to believe that, but on the other hand, I haven't read anything that leads me to doubt you.

Would appreciate some info if you can.

[sinkspur]

If they go on a rampage and kill innocent Jews will the Pope have to apologize?

No. If they go on a rampage, they ought to be shot.

[Psycho_Bunny]

Because it may have actually been Breaking News. I don't dismiss a post until I've read it. And I'm not dismissing this one.

Coupled with this mornings Nun post (which was removed from breaking news) it does seem like a untactful trend.

[onyx]

Why did you freely choose to view a thread posted in Breaking News about something Catholic?

Sometimes a person's chosen 'nic' is quite telling?

[Psycho_Bunny]

lol....I don't know if that's a slam on me or on Catholicism.

[onyx]

Neither. Just having fun with "SmedleyButler."

[Mike Fieschko]

Yes. And Fellay won't get his special prelature nor be allowed to trash Vatican II at will.

The truly important point about the news is that Bishop Rangel and the rest have an apostolic administration and not a prelature.

The difference is that a prelature restricts them from going into other diocese unless they have the approval of the other bishop.

With an apostolic adminstration, they do not need the approval of the other bishop to open chapels/churches/parishes. They are their own 'diocese'. This only covers Brazil, for now.

[pbear8]

I was at a conference this past weekend with the 'Latin Mass' magazine folks. A couple of interesting things were mentioned there.

This 'Campos' compromise and its history was explained.

As for SSPX, a person at the conference in a real position to know was personally begging Fallay to accept the compromise now offered by the Vatican.

The buzz around Rome is that they may make a separate rite out of the Latin Tridentine Mass with its own bishops and structure (like the Byzantine, Maronite, etc.)

[sinkspur]

With an apostolic adminstration, they do not need the approval of the other bishop to open chapels/churches/parishes

But they will need the approval of the Pope.

The SSPX should have accepted this compromise years ago; Fellay is just too proud to give up his power. They pay lip service to Vatican II (which they'll never really accept), and get to maintain their own parishes. Like a separate rite.

Everybody's happy.

[pbear8]

And I forgot to add that they said that the GOs are watching the Latin Rite deal very closely. Because the old Mass closely parallels their liturgy, they want the Trid Mass issue settled before they will talk seriously about coming back to Rome.

[rdf]

The Latin Mass has NEVER been outlawed.

Right on.

The Mass, Novus Ordo, is clebrated in Latin at my college every day, at least twice. My parish uses English. The main thing is, it is the Mass.Richard F.

[rdf]

The Latin Mass has NEVER been outlawed.

Right on.

The Mass, Novus Ordo, is clebrated in Latin at my college every day, at least twice. My parish uses English. The main thing is, it is the Mass.

Nice to agree with you again.

Richard F.

[Jim-FREEportPA]

Your're funny. Still good info to have as a posted topic re the schism. By the way, I had Jim L's baseball card. Maybe we should have saints cards or R. Catholic or Christian cards like the 12 apostles(I'm sure someone has thought about this and I could find this in a Christian bookstore, if not then I claim copyright!). Folks, I'm not making fun-I'm an active Roman Catholic pentecostal version.