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1 posted on 01/16/2002 6:00:32 AM PST by truthandlife
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And we want Levin out of the Senate! That is irresponsible for these DemocRATS to keep getting involved in foreign diplomacy matters. Wish they would all stay home and keep their mouths shut.

This morning the former CIA Director Woosley (who BTW quit the clinton administration when clinton didn't want CIA briefings), said that there are a lot of things the Saudi's do for us that do not make the news because of circumstances in their own country as they have some terrorists cells of their own just waiting to do something.

Now Levin is privey to this same information yet goes out and makes this statement. It is one thing for all of us to say it, but the man is a United States Senator. I am just flat out sick and tired of the grandstanding of the United States Senators!

2 posted on 01/16/2002 6:05:59 AM PST by PhiKapMom
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Levin's suggestions have some merit. If we can conduct our necessary missions based elsewhere, then there's no reason not to. The Saudis are bad hosts, ungrateful recipients of aid, and only barely friendly. They need us, probably, more than we need them; so why not leave them out to dry?
3 posted on 01/16/2002 6:13:55 AM PST by silmaril
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In December, the highest-ranking female fighter pilot in the Air Force, Lt. Col. Martha McSally, filed a lawsuit against the Defense Department

This is the real reason Levin wants to pull out of the air base. As I've said before, a low-ranking officer has no business shooting her mouth off publicly and interfering with our foreign policy.

The real problem is that it was a foolish mistake to assign a woman pilot to Saudi Arabia in the first place. Making her wear a burkha was demeaning, so the obvious solution was to avoid getting into such a situation. The clintonoid multiculturalists in the Pentagon were presumably responsible.

I have real doubts about Saudi Arabia as our faithful ally. They have produced and funded terrorism on a massive scale. But that's a whole different question. Lt. Col. Martha McSally is nothing but a distraction from the real issues.

8 posted on 01/16/2002 6:59:53 AM PST by Cicero
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Get out of Saudi Arabia and let them collapse under their own monarchical corruption, drill for oil and gas in the good ol' USA and evict all the American-Islamists. We'd never have to worry about middle-eastern public opinion again.
9 posted on 01/16/2002 7:09:45 AM PST by Rudder
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. "I have an unease about our presence in Saudi Arabia. I think we may be able to find a place where we are much more welcomed openly."

I agree with Levin, there is a first time for everything yikes, the Saudis have taken advantage of us for long enough.

10 posted on 01/16/2002 7:16:49 AM PST by NeoCaveman
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To: truthandlife
This speach by Levin was good, not bad. It gave Bush more options, not less. And it sent a very important message to Saudi Arabia that they need to hear.

To put this speach in proper context, it helps to start with the current situation in Saudi Arabia, so here's a short list:

1. The most popular man in Saudia Arabia is Osama bin Laden. Opinion polls are putting him in the 70% to 80% approval range.

2. The government of Saudia Arabia is nominally under the control of a very ill King. Actual control is with two feuding brothers. One brother is very likely our friend. The other, despite recent backtracking, is very likely our enemy.

3. Regardless of which brother ultimately wins out, the people of Saudi Arabia consider their government corrupt to the core. Bin Laden has been attempting to overthrow the government, and may even have come close in November.

4. Wealthy Saudis are the source of Bin Laden's money. The majority of the attackers on 9-11 were Saudis. The Wahabbi sect of Islam, the official religion of Saudi Arabia, is arguably the most extreme version of Islam.

5. If Saudi Arabia turned against us, we would have a problem protecting the people we had in-country at the time. We would also have a problem protecting the equipment based there. Any equipment we lose would be used against us in the future.

6. We would rather not have to fight more nations, all at once, than we have to. If we have to fight Saudi Arabia, we run the additional risk of unifying all Islam against us because Mecca is in their country. However, if we eventually have to fight them, why would we want to start with a lot of our people at risk, and an immense amount of very valuable equipment that they can easily capture?

CONCLUSION: The REAL significance of this article is the political signal Levin sent. He is the most powerful Democrat in this arena. He just sent the clear signal that if Bush wants to pull out of Saudi Arabia, the Democrats will support the move.

The WAY the message was sent is also very significant. He sent the signal in a high profile, public way. This puts him on record much more effectively than if he gave a promise behind closed doors. It also sends the message to two other groups that need to hear it: The Saudis (for obvious reasons); The Democrats (don't fight Bush on this).

Making it clear to the Saudis that Bush can pull out of Saudi Arabia without Democrat opposition strengthens Bush's hand enormously. When he talks turkey to the Saudis, they need know he is not bluffing. WE know he is not, but the message needs to be crystal clear to people who are used to a United States led by Billy boy. Just in case they think it is business as usual, this helps convince them otherwise.

Ultimately, this has strengthened Bush's hand. This means are LESS likely to have a problem with the Saudis, not more. You can bet that what he said was known and approved by the Bush administration in advance. Bravo for both of them.

BTW: If in the end we simply cannot avoid fighting Saudi Arabia, and we lose their oil for a time as a result, we will not suffer nearly as much as many people think. The world has enough surplus oil production capacity to make up the entire shortfall if Saudi production went to zero. The only way we have a crunch if the rest of the Islamic nations that produce oil also cut off the flow of oil at the same time. That would mean Bin Laden had succeeded in unifying all of Islam against us, and the world be in the midst of the worst war the world has ever seen.

12 posted on 01/16/2002 7:29:08 AM PST by EternalHope
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Bahrain is a much nicer place and is non Wahabbi.
18 posted on 01/16/2002 3:09:43 PM PST by weikel
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I vote we move our base to Bahrain only if they promise to turn around and bomb Saudi Arabia to dust and ashes.
31 posted on 01/17/2002 8:41:02 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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The senator has a reputation for presenting information that is liberally biased, since I am a conservative I question his assertions. That being the case I researched the Wahhabi and it's relationship to Saudi Arabia. According to http://www.al-islami.com/islam/truth_about_wahhabism.php they claim that the Saudi government does not support this group. With equal skepticism I question their assertions. Since both of them present opposite cases I do not believe either one. Senator Levin very often uses Anti-American rhetoric and promotes socialist positions. The Saudis often use Anti-American rhetoric and promote an Islmaic theocracy. Best advice disregard both positions.
33 posted on 10/02/2002 7:45:41 PM PDT by nicodemus born of spirit
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