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Enron Probe Crosses Many Political Borders
FOXNews.com / AP contributed ^ | January 10, 2002 | Staff

Posted on 01/10/2002 7:38:27 PM PST by Uncle Bill

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:32:08 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Who is George Salt?
DJ2 is almost certainly Michael Brescia, a former member of the Aryan Republican Army (ARA) who is currently serving hard time for his role in numerous ARA bank robberies.

Comparison visuals of Brescia and JD2, please. Also, I would like to see a timeline on Brescia's conviction and incarceration.

The 'alternate DJ2' is almost certainly Peter Langan, leader of the ARA and ordained minister in the Christian Identity Church, who is also serving hard time.

Again, please supply side-by-sides so we can judge for ourselves. And again, a timeline on when he went into the graybar resort would be nice.

Not flaming you, I just want to see the info--this is news to me.

Mark Hamm has uncovered numerous links between Timothy McVeigh and the ARA.

Joel Dyer also did some work linking McVeigh to some Christian Identity hardcases--see Harvest of Rage for details. One that is really interesting is that a JD5 or JD6 matches the description of a guy who walked out of the Republic of Texas and the Montana Freemen outfits--in each case, only hours prior to the SWAT boys showing up. Can you spell "I-N-F-O-R-M-A-N-T-?" And if he was a "confidential informant," why did he NOT inform the Feds about McVeigh? Or did he?

Enquiring minds want to know...

261 posted on 02/06/2002 7:27:07 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Who is George Salt?
You didn't mention Peter Ward. Where's Peter Ward now?

There is more than sufficient information to connect McVeigh to Andreas Strassmeier, the Fed operative, inside Elohim City, and his roomate Michael Brescia. On what basis do you conclude that a McVeigh-Strassmeier connection invalidates the very professional work of Jayna Davis?

By the way, the witness in Elliot's Body Shop that provided the description for the composite of JD2 described the man as dark-skinned. So much for your pink skin "mendacious" theory.

262 posted on 02/06/2002 7:28:03 AM PST by honway
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To: Who is George Salt?
Green-toothed, pink-skinned Aryan Nation/Christian Identity traitors did it.

Have these folks ever demonstrated the capability to carry out such an operation? Can you provide an example?

On the other hand, let's consider the operations planned and/or executed by little swarthy guys who consider females for procreation and males for recreation.

Pan Am 103
WTC Bombing 1993
Operation Bojinka(planned bombing of U.S. airliners)
Khobar Towers 1996
Embassy Bombings in Africa
U.S.S. Cole
9-11-01

263 posted on 02/06/2002 7:55:04 AM PST by honway
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To: Poohbah
I recommend you read Mark Hamm's In Bad Company" America's Terrorist Underground.

Hamm provides photos of Brescia, JD2, Peter Langan, and 'alt JD2'. The similarities are uncanny. If I find the time, I might scan and post them in the future.

He also lays out in meticulous detail the timelines you desire - in fact, it's the bulk of the book.

264 posted on 02/06/2002 8:00:09 AM PST by Who is George Salt?
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To: honway
By the way, the witness in Elliot's Body Shop that provided the description...

That's the problem with "eyewitness accounts." For example, Peter Langan, leader of the ARA, came from solid Irish stock, and yet he was often mistaken for a Mexican; in fact, that is why he adopted the alias Pedro Gomez, and the nom de guerre "Commander Pedro."

The "arab imprint" of this story probably comes from the diversionary tactics employed by the ARA. Bill Guthrie, the Nbr 2 of the ARA, bought one of those Berlitz language courses, and was fond of spouting off Arabic gibberish during ARA bank robberies. The ARA also employed disguises and makeup to disguise their identities. They probably used the same tactics on B-day.

Besides, Michael Brescia is sufficiently "swarthy' to fit the "eyewitness" account of JD2.

So, I don't really need the hysterical ravings of an out-of-work tele-bimbo.

265 posted on 02/06/2002 8:08:56 AM PST by Who is George Salt?
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To: Who is George Salt?
And what the hell does any of this have to do with Enron???
266 posted on 02/06/2002 8:13:40 AM PST by Who is George Salt?
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To: Uncle Bill
Link

http://www.atimes.com/global-econ/DA29Dj01.html

In the early 1990s, Enron struck several deals to build and operate power plants in the Philippines, including a small plant in Subic Bay abandoned by the US military. In those deals, according to a 1995 article in Inter Press Service, Enron was aided by US Ambassador Frank Wisner Jr and officials from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), who "provided Enron with key data on the risks of the project and strategies of possible competitors".

Wisner, who was US ambassador to India when Enron became involved in the Dabhol project, was appointed to the Enron board of directors in 1997. Wisner, as many historians of US intelligence know, is the son of the infamous Frank Wisner Sr, who was a top CIA operative until he committed suicide in 1965. He distinguished himself in two US-supported coups in the 1950s that later came back to haunt US diplomacy: the overthrow of the Arbenz government in Guatemala and the Mossadeq government in Iran.

267 posted on 02/06/2002 8:42:36 AM PST by honway
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To: OKCSubmariner; Askel5
Global Crossing paid George Bush in stock

Bloomberg News
Special to CNET News.com
March 19, 1999, 5:40 AM PT

Global Crossing, a provider of long distance phone services through an undersea fiber-optic network, paid former U.S. President George Bush in stock options now worth about $14.4 million for giving a speech to the company's customers, according to reports.

After addressing customers in Tokyo on behalf of the company, which was not yet publicly traded, Bush agreed to take shares in lieu of his $80,000 speech fee, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing people close to the situation.

The former president gave the company a 20 percent discount on his normal fee of $100,000 for overseas trips, the newspaper reported.

Global Crossing, which had its initial public share sale in August, agreed to buy Frontier for $12.5 billion in stock and assumed debt on March 17, giving it U.S. Internet access as well as voice and data services.

Copyright 1999, Bloomberg L.P. All Rights Reserved.


Global Crossing, founded in 1997 by Gary Winnick, a former junk-bond salesman and associate of Michael Milken, contributed $2.9 million to candidates and political parties during the 2000 election, up from just $34,000 in 1998, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics (CRP). Winnick collected powerful friends the way some moguls collect art. The company's onetime president, Leo Hindery Jr., is a top Democratic fund-raiser. Its vice-chairman, Lodwrick Cook, a former ARCO exec, is a prominent GOP giver and friend of ex-President George Bush. In 1998, Bush pere made a speech in Tokyo on behalf of Global Crossing and pocketed shares of stock in lieu of $80,000 for his fee. His holdings were worth millions a year later, when he filed papers to sell some shares.

WINNICK'S WILD RIDE


Asia Global Crossing Ltd.

Source

Executive Biography
Lodwrick M. (Lod) Cook
Co-Chairman, Asia Global Crossing and Global Crossing Ltd.;
Chairman, Global Marine Systems;
Vice-Chairman and Managing Director, Pacific Capital Group, Inc.

Lodwrick (Lod) Cook became Co-Chairman of Global Crossing Ltd in 1998 and Chairman, Global Marine Systems, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Global Crossing, in 1999. In April 2000, he became Co-Chairman of Asia Global Crossing Ltd. Cook also serves as Vice Chairman and Managing Director of Pacific Capital Group, which he joined in September 1997. Pacific Capital played a principal role in the founding of Global Crossing and continues to invest in the real estate, financial services, media, health care, and telecommunication industries. Prior to joining Pacific Capital Group and Global Crossing, Cook had a 39-year distinguished career at Atlantic Richfield Company (ARCO), the 7th largest US oil company. He began in 1956 as an engineer trainee and went on to hold management positions in Labor Relations, Refining, Marketing, Planning, Supply and Transportation and was elected Vice President in 1970.

He became President and CEO of ARCO in October 1985 and during this time served as Chairman of the Owners' Committee of the Trans Alaska Pipeline System. He became Chairman and CEO in January 1986 and upon retirement in June 1995, became Chairman Emeritus. Cook's philanthropy has had a particular focus on education, youth and minority programs.

His national and international volunteer work includes serving as a Trustee of the George Bush Presidential Library Foundation, Director of the Louisiana State University Alumni Association and a member of the Chancellor's Court of Benefactors of Oxford University in England. He is a former member of the Board of Advisors of the Carter Center of Emory University and former Chairman and current Director of the Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation. His California community interests include serving as a member of the Library Foundation of Los Angeles (of which he is Founder Chairman) and Life Regent of Pepperdine University. Cook has also had a long association with Junior Achievement and serves on the Southern California Board of Governors and is Director Emeritus - National Junior Achievement. This year he was inducted into the J.A. Business Hall of Fame. In November 1994, upon appointment by Her Majesty the Queen, Cook was invested by The Prince of Wales with the insignia of Honorary Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire (KBE) for his contribution to Anglo-American relations and support for philanthropic projects around the world. Cook is a member of the Board of Directors of Global Crossing Ltd, Asia Global Crossing Ltd, Global Marine Systems, Pacific Capital Group and Castle & Cooke Inc. He is Chairman and a member of the Board of Directors of Litex Inc and 911Notify.com. Cook was born and raised in Louisiana. He received BS degrees in Mathematics and Petroleum Engineering at Louisiana State University in 1950 and 1955, respectively, the latter after a tour of duty in the US Army. Later, while working, he finished an evening MBA program at Southern Methodist University. Honorary degrees have also been conferred by Louisiana State University, Pepperdine University, California Lutheran University and St. Augustine's College. Cook is married to Carole Diane Cook and has five grown children, four granddaughters, and two grandsons.


Former President Bush Joins Telecom Elite As Speech Reaps $14M Bonanza

March 19, 1999: 8:59 a.m. ET

LONDON (CNNfn) - Former U.S. President George Bush has made one of the most lucrative speeches in history. Bush was able to net a fortune after he agreed to take shares in the fast-growing telecom firm Global Crossing in lieu of his $80,000 fee, according to a newspaper report Friday.

The Wall Street Journal reported that Global Crossing (GBLX) Chairman Lodwrick Cook invited Bush to make a presentation in Japan last year, before the company began trading on Nasdaq. Bush even cut 20 percent from his normal fee in testimony to his friendship with Cook. Bush made the speech and pocketed the low-priced shares ahead of Global Crossing's float last August.

The stock since has soared from its launch price of 9.5 to a high of 60. Following a two-for-one stock split, the shares closed at 48 Thursday.

Bermuda-based Global Crossing, which is building a fiber-optic network that will circle the globe, will see its market capitalization climb to $30 billion if this week's acquisition of Rochester, N.Y.-based Frontier Corp. (FRO), a local and long-distance operator, goes through. Bush's opportunism makes him leader of the global league of political speechmakers. Margaret Thatcher, the former U.K. prime minister, can claim only $150,000 per speech.


CityNet Telecommunications has a dirty little secret, but it still manages to walk away with $275 million in funding

Money Watch
By Vishesh Kumar
April 23, 2001

CEO: Robert G. Berger
Location: Silver Spring, Md.
Funding: $275 million in equity and debt, following a $100 million investment in April 2000
The Pitch: Stringing optic cables inside sewer lines to bring broadband access to buildings

Don't laugh when you hear CityNet Telecommunications' dirty little secret: The company brings fiber-optic networks to office buildings by laying lines in sewers.

CityNet has outfitted robots with digital cameras and sent them into wastewater systems. The robots install stainless steel tubes containing fiber lines along the walls of sewer pipes. Initially developed by a Swiss firm to clean sewers, the robots go through tunnels as narrow as eight inches across.

The stingy private-equity market has opened the floodgates for CityNet. The company raised $175 million in equity and $100 million in debt financing last week, one of the largest private rounds of investment for any company this year.

The Carlyle Group, a buyout and private investment firm, led the charge, which also included Berkshire Partners, CIBC Capital Partners, Crescendo Ventures and Trimaran Capital Partners. . . .

CityNet went to the Carlyle Group to lead the round because of the firm's global reach and track record in telecommunications. Carlyle has also invested in Global Crossing, Nextel and Nortel.

"In addition to being able to write a big check," says Rosenblum, "the fact that we have strong industry focus and operations in Europe and elsewhere will be a big help."


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Posted on 9/30/01 8:10 AM Pacific by liberallarry

WALL STREET JOURNAL: BUSH SR. IN BUSINESS WITH BIN LADEN FAMILY CONGLOMERATE THROUGH CARLYLE GROUP

FAMILY HAD RENOUNCED TIES TO TERRORIST SON BUT FAMILY STILL UNDER FBI INVESTIGATION

FATHER OF PRESIDENT SHOULD PULL OUT OF INTERNATIONAL CONSULTING FIRM


(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that investigates and prosecutes government corruption and abuse, reacted with disbelief to The Wall Street Journal report of yesterday that George H.W. Bush, the father of President Bush, works for the bin Laden family business in Saudi Arabia through the Carlyle Group, an international consulting firm. The senior Bush had met with the bin Laden family at least twice. (Other top Republicans are also associated with the Carlyle group, such as former Secretary of State James A. Baker.) The terrorist leader Osama bin Laden had supposedly been “disowned” by his family, which runs a multi-billion dollar business in Saudi Arabia and is a major investor in the senior Bush’s firm. Other reports have questioned, though, whether members of his Saudi family have truly cut off Osama bin Laden. Indeed, the Journal also reported yesterday that the FBI has subpoenaed the bin Laden family business’s bank records.

Judicial Watch earlier this year had strongly criticized President Bush’s father’s association with the Carlyle Group, pointing out in a March 5 statement that it was a “conflict of interest (which) could cause problems for America’s foreign policy in Middle East and Asia.” Judicial Watch called for the senior Bush to resign from the firm then.

“This conflict of interest has now turned into a scandal. The idea of the President’s father, an ex-president himself, doing business with a company under investigation by the FBI in the terror attacks of September 11 is horrible. President Bush should not ask, but demand, that his father pull out of the Carlyle Group,” stated Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman.

“This has the potential of making ‘Billygate’ (Jimmy Carter’s brother’s dealings with Libya) look like small potatoes,” added Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

See "Bin Laden Family Could Profit From a Jump In Defense Spending Due to Ties to U.S. Bank," by Daniel Golden, James Bandler, and Marcus Walker, The Wall Street Journal, 9/28/01 (www.wsj.com, subscription required).


Presto, like magic, a couple phone calls later, and:

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AP | Published: Oct 26, 2001 | By Marcy Gordon The Associated Press

Posted on 10/26/01 12:30 PM Pacific by Theresa

Source: Bin Laden's Family Cutting Ties With Carlyle Investment Firm in U.S.

WASHINGTON (AP) - Osama bin Laden's wealthy family in Saudi Arabia is cutting its financial ties with the Carlyle Group, a politically-connected U.S. private investment firm, by mutual agreement, a source familiar with the relationship said Friday.

The bin Laden family decided to sell its investment worth $2.02 million back to the firm mainly because of public controversy over its stake in a Carlyle fund that invests in buyouts of military and aerospace companies, said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The source was confirming a report in Friday's editions of The New York Times.

There had been criticism in Saudi Arabia after the Sept. 11 terror attacks that the family, which disowned exiled Islamic militant Osama bin Laden years ago, might profit from increased military spending in the U.S. war against terrorism.

The family, whose construction company is one of the largest in the Middle East, also has invested with a number of other investment funds and financial institutions around the world, reportedly including U.S. financial services giant Citigroup, Deutsche Bank of Germany and the Dutch bank ABN Amro.

Carlyle has some $14 billion in assets under management. Its chairman is Frank Carlucci, a former U.S. defense secretary. Former President George Bush, former secretary of state James Baker and Arthur Levitt, who had been chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission through most of the Clinton administration, are senior advisers to the firm.


The Carlyle Group

Executive Biography
John F. Harris
Managing Director and CFO

Mr. Harris is a Partner and Managing Director of The Carlyle Group and is based in Washington, DC. He serves as Carlyle’s Chief Financial Officer with overall responsibility for the firm’s investor reporting, internal controls and financial management. Prior to joining Carlyle in April 1997, Mr. Harris was a Vice President with Golub Associates, a private equity firm, where he focused on middle market principal investment transactions. Previously, Mr. Harris was a Senior Manager with Arthur Andersen, LLP. Mr. Harris is a graduate of the University of Virginia and is a CPA.
Source: The Carlyle Group, 2001

Enron unleashes more US horror
The amount of gimmickry and outright fraud dwarfs any period since the early 1970s, when major accounting scams such as Equity Funding surfaced, and the 1920s, when rampant fraud helped cause the crash of 1929 and led to the creation of the SEC, he says.

Enron paid Andersen, its auditor, $US27 million in fees unrelated to auditing and $US52 million in total fees last year, according to Enron's proxy statement.

Last year, Arthur Levitt, then chairman of the commission, tried to restrict the consulting work that accounting firms could do, but he backed down in the face of strong opposition from the firms. Mr Levitt, now a senior adviser at the Carlyle Group, did not return calls for comment."
[end of partial transcript]

Just making a dishonest buck or two
"Last but not least, I must look at another company, this one prospering more than ever. Founded in 1987, it is called the Carlyle Group and is now thought to be worth around $12.5bn. It is run by Frank Carlucci, Ronald Reagan's defence secretary and a close chum of Donald Rumsfeld (they used to wrestle together at Princeton). It specialises in buying defence companies that are performing indifferently, and injecting them with new blood. One such typical company was United Defense Industries, a firm that manufactures the $20bn, 42-ton Crusader Advanced Field Artillery System - a system about to get the chop when Bill Clinton left office, but restored by Rumsfeld.

Carlyle's reach is staggering: until it speedily divested itself last October, its investors included the Binladin Group, the $5bn family business run by Osama's half-brother Bakr. And on its payroll you will find such luminaries as George Bush I, James Baker, the former secretary of state, and John Major: it helps, you see, if a chap trying to beef up the defence business has a little governmental star pulling power. Bush I and Major went to Saudi Arabia last year on behalf of Carlyle, I am told (when Bush II, lest we forget, was already US president); Bush I netted $17m in his first coup for Carlyle and has probably now accrued around $50m. The current President Bush, apparently, sees nothing wrong with what Dad is now doing.

The shenanigans of Enron, meanwhile, are now being investigated by six Congressional committees, the labour department, the justice department (from which Ashcroft has recused himself) and the Securities and Exchange Commission. Arthur Andersen, which destroyed key documents during its audit of Enron, is now the subject of a criminal investigation. But where was Arthur Levitt, chairman of the SEC and crusader against "greed and arrogance" while the Enron mayhem was unfolding? Er, we don't know. Where is he now? Working for Carlyle, that's where."
[end of partial transcript]

Apteka-Holding, established in late 1997, is ranked among the top five distributors of pharmaceutical products in Russia. In 1999 the international investment fund The Carlyle Group became a partner and shareholder of Apteka-Holding.
"At the request of The Carlyle Group the business processes of the company were surveyed at the first stage of the project by the specialists of Arthur Andersen, one of the Big Five consultancies."
[End of partial transcript]

The CIA's Role in the Anthrax Mailings
"The preceding year (September 1998), Bioport Corporation took over a failing anthrax vaccine business from state-owned Michigan Biologic Products Institute. Less than a month later, the company landed an exclusive $29 million contract with the Department of Defense to "manufacture, test, bottle and store the anthrax vaccine." Admiral William J. Crowe, Jr., a former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and close personal aid to President Clinton, with no financial investment of his own, received 22.5% of Bioport's stock to promote, secure, and manage military anthrax vaccine contracts.(14)

3. Bioport's principal investor was Saudi business man Fuad El-Hibri-a close friend of the bin Laden family, and a previous merger and acquisitions manager for the Rockefeller-linked Citigroup in New York.(14,15)

According to some investigators,(16) additional Bioport shares were believed to be held by The Carlyle Management Group-America's 11th leading defense contractor largely directed by past CIA director Frank Carlucci, James Baker III, George H.W. Bush, and former British Prime Minister John Major.

4. According to the Associated Press, Past President George H.W. Bush acts as a business agent for the Carlyle Group and wealthy Saudi families including the bin Ladens.(17)"
[end of partial transcript]

Papers on BioPort [Anthrax Vaccine Maker] found in office of terrorist suspects

Bin Laden Family Could Profit From a Jump In Defense Spending Due to Ties to U.S. Bank
"If the U.S. boosts defense spending in its quest to stop Osama bin Laden's alleged terrorist activities, there may be one unexpected beneficiary: Mr. bin Laden's family. Among its far-flung business interests, the well-heeled Saudi Arabian clan -- which says it is estranged from Osama -- is an investor in a fund established by Carlyle Group, a well-connected Washington merchant bank specializing in buyouts of defense and aerospace companies.

Through this investment and its ties to Saudi royalty, the bin Laden family has become acquainted with some of the biggest names in the Republican Party. In recent years, former President Bush, ex-Secretary of State James Baker and ex-Secretary of Defense Frank Carlucci have made the pilgrimage to the bin Laden family's headquarters in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Mr. Bush makes speeches on behalf of Carlyle Group and is senior adviser to its Asian Partners fund, while Mr. Baker is its senior counselor. Mr. Carlucci is the group's chairman.

...A Carlyle executive said the bin Laden family committed $2 million through a London investment arm in 1995 in Carlyle Partners II Fund, which raised $1.3 billion overall. The fund has purchased several aerospace companies among 29 deals. So far, the family has received $1.3 million back in completed investments and should ultimately realize a 40% annualized rate of return, the Carlyle executive said.

But a foreign financier with ties to the bin Laden family says the family's overall investment with Carlyle is considerably larger. He called the $2 million merely an initial contribution. "It's like plowing a field," this person said. "You seed it once. You plow it, and then you reseed it again."

The Carlyle executive added that he would think twice before accepting any future investments by the bin Ladens.
[end of partial transcript]

President Bush has invited representatives of the most radical, pro-terrorist Islamic groups in America to pray with him at the National Cathedral, to pray with him at the Washington, D.C., mosque, to sit near Mrs. Bush at the big speech to Congress and to hold hands with him at the White House.

BioPort - The military's guinea pigs


Institutional Holders - Global Crossing Ltd(NYSE:GX)

Source

Top Institutional Holders of GX     Shares Value
Citigroup Inc.     23,523,639 $15,055,129
Barclays Bank Plc     21,621,911 $13,838,023
Jennison Associates LLC     16,969,234 $10,860,310
Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc.     14,176,599 $9,073,023
State Street Corporation     13,918,741 $8,907,994
Oppenheimerfunds, Inc.     13,784,500 $8,822,080
Vanguard Group, Inc. (The)     11,264,893 $7,209,532
Massachusetts Financial Services Co - Other     9,338,730 $5,976,787
Mellon Bank, N.A.     7,397,813 $4,734,600
Renaissance Technologies Corp     5,838,200 $3,736,448

The Study of Denial of Public Servant Incest

268 posted on 02/06/2002 12:50:33 PM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill
I had missed the cutting of ties! Thanks, Uncle Bill.
269 posted on 02/06/2002 1:16:25 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Uncle Bill
Any and all other countries should have to wait until Lay and his friends have served each of their federal and state sentences before they are handed over to other countries. Hopefully, these guys will get so much time here that that day will never come.
270 posted on 02/06/2002 1:18:58 PM PST by snakebitevoter
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To: Uncle Bill
Ah yes, the Admiral William J. Crowe, Jr.
GlobalOptions, Inc.
Senior Advisors
Admiral William J. Crowe/Chairman
Management Team
271 posted on 02/06/2002 1:53:32 PM PST by philman_36
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To: aristeides
Mutual fund and related entities mostly.
272 posted on 02/06/2002 2:02:29 PM PST by bvw
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To: Black Jade
figures they'll get a medal or maybe a chest to pin it on.
273 posted on 02/06/2002 2:52:24 PM PST by IRtorqued
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To: Black Jade
Linda, who is Ken's second wife and his former secretary, called him a moral man who has done nothing wrong.

and let me guess linda you and ole ken didn't do any kissy face stuff while ken was married to the first (mrs) lay.

274 posted on 02/06/2002 2:56:11 PM PST by IRtorqued
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To: Uncle Bill,Wallaby,golitely,nunya bidness,Fred Mertz,Chapita,Askel5,Orion78,Pokey78,aristeides,ra
A repsonse to all of Uncle Bill's replies and information on this magnificent thread:

Whores In both Political Parties Taking BRIBES:

The elites of the Republican and Democratic parties are whores (harlots) incestuously feeding (taking BRIBES) at the same international troughs of corporations they know are corrupt, and nations (China) and Arab groups (Hamas) they know are terrorists. They are whores because they have sold out their country and their responsibilities to protect her people and her freedoms for their own ill gotten personal gain.

Many times the Repubs and Democrats get away with corruption, illegal campaign contributions, bad decisions, unethical conduct , not enforcing the laws at the SEC by blaming it on each other when both know each was involved (take Enron and Global Crossing as examples).

The Repubs and Demoocrats hope the rope will break if the Repubs and Democrats hang together. When both are to blame they never really punish anyone by Congressional action-just window dressings and going through the motion of a few “do nothing” hearings to make it look like they did something so they can get re-elected and get more campaign contributions and stay out of jail.

The Repubs even know of insider trading by GW Bush at Harken and Ken Lay at Enron but nothing ever happens because they stack the SEC commissioners with people loyal to the President in the White House. They even select the same auditors who covered up Enron and Harken transgressions to cover-up the ongoing audits of the FBI-Arthur Andersen!

If anyone pushes too hard to learn and expose the truth about this, the FBI and corporate thugs and agents of terror groups and nations are allowed to murder the investigators and whistleblowers to keep the lid on it and protect careers.

The Repubs and Democrats say their votes are never influenced by large scale contributions from corrupt corporations, from terror nations like China, and terrorist businessmen they know are directly connected to Saudis, Hamas groups backing terrorists (such as Holy Land Foundation, InfoCom, Khalid Mahfouz, etc).

They are lying many (but not always) times when they claim their votes are not influenced by these donations (BRIBES).

But what they do not tell you is that they really are taking illegal BRIBES from these corporations, nations and terror groups. Not necessarily BRIBES to change their votes one way or another, but BRIBES 1)to not hold hearings to investigate illegal activities, 2)to not take definitive action should any hearings be held, 3)to not introduce new laws which would better regulate the problem, 4) to not have the FBI and DOJ stop known terror groups (Hamas) to operate cells in the US and 5)to put undo pressure on Federal regulatory agencies and organizations (like SEC) and DOJ not to hold anyone accountable or prosecute or investigate thoroughly.

And of course these corrupt donations (BRIBES) buy access and influence to the Repubs and Democrats which the average citizen and even some well established public lobby groups can never get. The result is that the Repubs and Democrats do not represent the interests of the American people (taxation without representation!) but instead represent the interests of corrupt companies and terror nations and groups who donate the large sums of money. The Repubs and Democrats never really cut off the flow of money from these corrupt terror groups and terror nations and corporations.

Even certain large news organizations will not investigate or publicize this problem adequately because they do not want to alienate any of the offenders adversely affect their ability to continue to get campaign advertising dollars and access to foreign news outlets and markets.

Write this down in stone for future reference that it was written and predicted as a fair warning:

God will judge the corrupt elites of both Republican and Democratic parties for their harlotry, for their taking these BRIBES and for their perjury. It would be better for them to put a millstone around their necks and cast themselves in the sea rather than face the wrath of God coming upon them for their whoredom.

They still can repent before God’s judgment falls, but they are fools if they wait very long to repent.

God will not be mocked and though slow to anger, He is swift to act when He has given fair warning, when He has had enough and when His patience has been exhausted.

275 posted on 02/06/2002 3:26:50 PM PST by OKCSubmariner
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To: IRtorqued
Please see reply #275.

Mutiple, Mega BUMPs for everything Uncle Bill has posted on this thread.

276 posted on 02/06/2002 3:41:20 PM PST by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner
"He has given fair warning, when He has had enough and when His patience has been exhausted."

It May be happening now. And WE as a Nation will be judged with them for tolerating their activities.

277 posted on 02/06/2002 3:44:32 PM PST by rdavis84
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To: Black Jade
yeah, i remember h+k.

the problem for linda laid is that her wealthy peers in houston don't buy her story + said so to the media.

278 posted on 02/06/2002 3:50:20 PM PST by ken21
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To: OKCSubmariner
on the topic of audits when has the federal reserve ever been audited? If you say never you're right.
279 posted on 02/07/2002 3:35:56 PM PST by IRtorqued
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To: IRtorqued,Uncle Bill
But if the Federal Reserve were ever to be audited, take heart, for the Republicans and Democrats would all agree that Arthur Andersen would be the best choice for auditor!

Andersen would make sure no one got hurt economically or politically, right?

280 posted on 02/07/2002 4:15:19 PM PST by OKCSubmariner
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