[ppaul]

.....Israel is a fact, a great big 800lb gorrila fact of life.

Yes. Seemingly so. But that applies when you are speaking about a person having a problem which seems like an 800-lb. gorilla. In this case, however, the Arab world is the 800 pound gorilla and Israel is a little ant. Look at the map for perspective. Israel is not the problem. The problem is a massive ethnic population, which occupies the vast land mass surrounding Israel, which suffers from a collective psychiatric anger management problem and which violently expresses its blind prejudice and bigotry toward a tiny minority.

[Valin]

Numbers don't always mean everyting, if they did Israel would have been no more by the end of may 1948.
Israel is a fact, a great big 800lb gorrila fact of life. By this I mean that the arab world have not yet come to grips with the fact that they are there and are not going away. If Israel even thinks they are going to lose...well they do have nukes, and I believe they will take everyone down with them.