Jim Robinson & FR accused of censorship

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[Vigilant1]

FREE REPUBLIC ADMITS IT IS PRO-WAR AND CENSORS ALL POSTS NOT IN ACCORD WITH US GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA

NOW MAKING THE ROUNDS ON THE NET. Cited under "fair use" for educational purposes.

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Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 02:50:39 -0800
From: "Jim Robinson"
Organization: Free Republic
To: "Larry McDonald"
Subject: Re: What Are You Scared Of?

Those who are coming in here to post a bunch of propaganda to smear Bush or otherwise harm the war effort are going to be deleted.

I guess you missed my posts where I said that I am 100% behind our President and the war. I don't care if it's Ron Paul, Larry McDonald, or the head of the John Birch Society himself. I do not want it on FR. And I do not want a bunch of 40 year old conspiracy crap. Not interested.
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There you have it. Free Republic is not an objective reporter of the facts but a blatent supporter of the Bush administrations' war for oil, and by Jim Robinson's own admission.

In another post, Jim states...

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Jim Robinson (Free Republic)
by JIM ROBINSON in This thread

Lots of grumbling lately about deleted posts. Well, my friends, the simple truth is the game has changed. We are now at war.
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Of course, Jim Robinson has it wrong. We're not at war. Only Congress can state otherwise and there has been no formal declaration of war by anyone. Bush hasn't gone to Congress to ask for such a declaration because that would restore Congress to its role in the balance of powers doctrine on which the nation was founded. Bush has no intention of allowing Congress to second-guess him, and indeed Bush has flat out declared that he will not bother informing Congress of intelligence operations from this point forward as is required by law.

Yes, we have been attacked, but it's not really known by whom. Even the FBI admits the IDs on which they based their accusations were faked using the stolen identities of middle eastern Arabs, some of whom have since turned up alive. From this it should be obvious that we cannot really know who was on those planes, only who we are supposed to blame.

But Jim Robinson isn't interested in these facts. He's spiked threads pointing out that the FBI admitted the IDs used by the hijackers were phony. Jim Robinson has spiked threads about how some of the accused hijackers have turned up alive. Jim Robinson has spiked many of the threads dealing with the Israeli spy scandal and the fact that the US has classified evidence linking some of the arrested Israeli spies with the events of 9/11. Jim Robinson has spiked threads suggestng that Bush has exceeed his constitutional authority. Jim Robinson will tolerate no doubts about the righteousness of Bush's war for oil.

But more than that, Jim Robinson displays an arrogant assumption that the presence of a war justifies anything. He argues that we should get behind the government because (he claims) there is a war. But translate that to Germany of 1939. Was it the right thing for the German people to unquestioningly back Hitler because there was a war on? Or would the German people (and the world) have been better served taking a pause and a closer look at just what the government was doing? And if Germany should have examined their government's claims a lot closer, then how can we not do the same now?

Free Republic has shown its true colors. Jim is "not interested" in facts, only in selling Bush's wars. Free Republic isn't about news any more, only about propaganda.

[Justa]

Oh, so knowledge of an impending event is what sets you off? Hey, I've got news for you, the Poles knew the Nazis were going to attack when there were 1.5 million German troops on their border. Does that make them culpable? I guess they asked for it then, huh? Obviously it was a result of a conspiracy between the Polish leadership and the Nazis. It must have been to benefit the wealthy Poles, you know the Polish aristocracy, the class of Poles which was completely exterminated within 6 weeks of Nazi occupation. Or perhaps it was "the Jews"? Yeah, they made out like bandits under the Nazis in Poland. Obviously another conspiracy.

Here's another comtemporary of the "Pearl Harbor: government complicity" reasoning: the French were already at war with Germany when the Panzers rolled thru the Ardennes and encircled them. "Guilty" as well? You remind me of the French police who rounded up retreating French soldiers at the train stations and executed them or the French peasants pitchforking downed Allied pilots because they "didn't stop" the Germans from strafing them.

Next time there's a crime in your neighborhood perhaps the police should come and arrest you. "Arrest Arator, he knows everything, therefore he was in on it".

[Caleb1411]

Of course, Jim Robinson has it wrong. We're not at war

Anyone this benighted doesn't merit an email response.

[The Raven]

At least he quoted Jim correctly.

Jim is clear, honest, and to the point.

Then MR follows it with the opposite.

[Arator]

I can post the names of dozens of books, all with "unclassified government documents", that "prove" that we never landed on the moon.

Here's some big media quotes from Day of Deceit's cover:

"It is difficult, after reading this copiously documented book, not to wonder about previously unchallenged assumptions about Pearl Harbor." -- Richard Bernstein, The New York Times

"Fascinating and readable...Exceptionally well presented." -- Robert Bartlett, The Wall Street Journal

"Perhaps the most revelatory document of our time." -- Tom Roeser, The Chicago Sun-Times

In other words, don't take my word for it. Read the book and make up your own mind.

[Hugh Akston]

no one ever mentions the vast amount of oil that we get from Mexico

Give it a week. Raimondo will see it, give goPatgo a call, and it will become part of the Reconquistas story.

[Hugh Akston]

Were you attempting to be funny there, or did it just turn out that way?

[cruiserman]

Jim is "not interested" in facts, only in selling Bush's wars. Free Republic isn't about news any more, only about propaganda.

That may be true, but FR is a private website. Jim can do whatever he wants.

[Hugh Akston]

1. 'Free Republic' can't admit anything, it can't talk. It's not even a living creature, much less a human being.

Rummy, is that you?

[TomB]

Here's some big media quotes from Day of Deceit's cover:

You do realize that blurbs on the back of a book isn't proof of anything.

What are they going to do, put the one that says "this is a piece of unadulterated garbage" on the back?

You might want to pick up the book "Arming America" by Michael Bellesiles. I purports to show that the gun culture in this country never existed and that the 2nd amendment really did apply to militias. It is copiously footnoted and has had many great things said about it. It has also won a Bancroft Prize, the oscars of publishing. So it MUST, by your logic, be accurate.

The only problem is that it is a complete and total fraud.

Don't believe everything you read.

[MeekOneGOP]

A week or two ago I went over to DU to see what "the Other Side" was doing. They had some "Bush Bashing" and Ann Coulter smear campaign stuff posted over there and "clintoon lovin'" stuff. I couldn't help myself. I registered. On one posters' comment about "I can't stand that $%&*&^%^&*^*^& woman" (Ann Coulter), I posted:

"Oh, yeah? Well, then you'll just LOVE this":

And on another one, the poster was talkin' about Bush not doing good in the War effort, citing that we hadn't captured Osama bin Laden. I told him that we had eliminated the Taliban as an institution and busted the Terrorist organization Al-Qaeda in Afghanization (taken out their terror training camps, etc.). All that in just 2 months! I also stated that clintoon (I said "Bill Clinton", I was so proud of my self for using constraint) had claimed he tried to bin Laden for 8 years, but he couldn't do it. I logged out after those two posts.

Well, a little while latter I went back and the posts were GONE. And when I tried to log in it said "Try later". Well, dang! Two truthful posts (no language, racist or violent posts whatsoever! !), and I am banned. They didn't even bother to answer my inquiry why the posts were removed and why I couldn't log in. Their little "rules" say "NO conservative posts". Imagine that, DIMocRATS using and abiding by RULES. Too bad they didn't take that stance in Florida 14 months ago during the PREZ election, huh???

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[rmvh]

Re this entire issue you raise:

Are Ms. Hartwell and associates in need of psychiatric assistance to deflate enlarged and out of control egos?.....

I have to laugh at this pathetic quest of theirs for internet recognititon.

[CDHart]

"His website...His rules."

LOL! When I was writing for a newspaper, I objected to the editor about something he didn't want to print. I asked him "What about freedom of the press?" He replied, "Freedom of the press only exists if you own the press."

Carolyn

[blaster88]

Medication obviously needs replenishing over there. They have proof that the government set up the anthrax scare. See, one of the letters was a photcopy of the other, and, this is a direct quote:

Most places which have copiers have typewriters or word processors, appliances whose operation is no mystery to the sort of people who go in and out of government laboratories.

[MindBender26]

Is this Michael the AH again? I had a bit of a book on him. He also claims to have been recruited by Agency. He involved in some strange stuff in Hawaii

[Republican_Strategist]

Woo hoo….that must have took a while. How about this one: Freedom from the press?

LOL

Hillary Clinton demands to be heard at a Freeper Rally. You say “You have to be out of your mind lady”. She says your censoring and suppressing “other viewpoints” It is the same thing which would otherwise be absurd that you are now demanding.

[ImpBill]

Ya gotta have thick skin to post some of Michael Rivero's crap here. I haven't read many of the responses but I would guess that most of them are attacking the messanger and not the message or confusing you with the message. You have more sand than I do. Thanks though for stirring the pot. It has been way to civil around here. /;-)

[Revelation 911]

Jims forum - Jims rules - nice post though - thanks

[DoctorMichael]

FYI: Some Yo-Yo hyped "whatreallyhappened.com" at the end of the first hour of C-SPAN this Saturday AM.

[ml/nj]

As an old time FReeper, I regard Michael Rivero to be one of the most interesting posters to ever post to Free Republic. I always looked for his threads and valued them greatly as they always challenged me to think a bit harder and deeper about unfolding events, and to question the official truth.

Some of us have known Rivero, electronically at least, for years before FR even existed. And there's no doubt that he has done some good work, particularly in regard to Vincent Foster and TWA 800.

But something has happened. Whatever that something is, unfortuantely discredits that good work. Anyone who believes that the US Government is involved in some nefarious conspiracy in the events related to the Sept 11 massacre at the WTC &c, brings shame to those of us who do think that government has lied to us about some other things.

There is no defense for most of the stuff Rivero has posted since Sept 11.

ML/NJ