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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; Ole Okie; Miss Marple, Howlin
This charge has been denied, and has not been documented. Individual 2nd and 3rd hand remarks are notoriously unreliable.

Well this is first hand information. I have a copy of the Keyes articles and Ole Okie and I heard him first hand on the radio. It was denied by the keyes staffers but we have documentation to the fact that was exactly what he said. Also called Bush -- Bush-Lite on the radio. Also said that Bush couldn't win in November because he didn't have the intelligence. That is firsthand!!!!!

Since you don't believe us the following comes from a Daily Oklahoman News article, 10 March 2000! I can fax anyone that wants a copy of this article!

Quoted from the article, 10 March 2000:

Republican front-runner George W. Bush will lose to Democrat Al Gore because Bush can't effectively articulate the Democratic Partyi's moral betrayal of the nation, GOP hopeful Alan Keyes said Thursday.

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Given the nation's properity and peace, "why should they elect Republicans to the White House?" he said.

Republicans stand a chance of winninng if voters go into the booth thinking of moral issues, Keyes said.

"G.W. Bush cannot make this case effectively," he said "...When it comes to dealing the issues of the moral crisis, he like many American politicians -- at a loss.

"So when he stands toe to toe with Al Gore on issues like abortion, he will come off looking second best because he doesn't know how to make the case properly and effectively -- and so we'll lose."

State Rep. Wayne Pettigrew, R-Edmond, asked Keyes who he would to have appointing the next three justices of the U.S. Supreme Court -- Bush or Gore?

Keyes said that was an academic question.

"The people who are deciding who's going to chose the next judges are folks who are deciding to put an ineffective, inarticulate, half-hearted indvidual into the naomination and send him out there," Keyes said.

"He's not going to win, and so he's not going to be appointing judges. Your deluding yourself."

Keyes said if Republiclans don't address the moral challenge, "we Republicans won't control the White House and therefore the whole issue of who he will appoint will be academic."

Keyes is on the primary ballot in Oklahoma on Tuesday, but he has not been the leader in any of the GOP primary races this year.

Some politicians get down because they take it as some rebuke against them if people don't vote for them, he said.

"If I'm presenting a message that makes sense and you go into the voting booth and vote for something elese, you haven't made a judgment against me; you've made a judgment against yourself and against America," Keyes said.

Skip to last paragraph:

Keyes said that if the GOP loses in November, he will be there "to say I told you so, because it's about time that Republicans wake up, stop acting like lemmings, and every four years going over the cliff of hard-hearted destruction." (end of quoting article)

The bold is mine! Now the keyes staffers can say my paper is lying too!

245 posted on 01/04/2002 6:11:04 PM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: PhiKapMom
THANKS!! I knew you had those articles! I am tired of having to provide proof every time we discuss this issue. Perhaps we shoudl compile a permanent off-line file we could load whenever we need it!
250 posted on 01/04/2002 6:14:42 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Deport; Wait4Truth; A Citizen Reporter
Read post #245 about keyes and what he said in Oklahoma. I found the article while I was putting up my Christmas decorations. For some reason it was in the box of some of the decorations when I moved this summer. It was on the back page of the front section of The Daily Oklahoman, 20 March 2000 and tells it better than I can what keyes had to say about President Bush.
251 posted on 01/04/2002 6:16:48 PM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: PhiKapMom;Miss Marple;Howlin
Keyes said that if the GOP loses in November

It is really amazing that you folks can go around referring to a quote without reading it. I will just point out you use of the word if. IF the GOP loses. Not the GOP will lose in November, but IF it loses in November. This is your quote and your phrase, and it makes all of your references to this quote, on this thread and others a lie. I might say a BIG lie. Even a Joseph Goebbels' style BIG lie.

261 posted on 01/04/2002 6:28:54 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: PhiKapMom
The bold is mine! Now the keyes staffers can say my paper is lying too!

Well, I don't know who is lying.

I hope you copied and pasted, because whoever wrote that kant spall.

I sure can't, but I noticed quite a few messups.Anyway, seems as though Keyes was right(get it?) again.

443 posted on 01/04/2002 8:11:51 PM PST by carenot
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