PAGE SIX/Lock & loaded (Keyes MSNBC Show?)

New York Post ^ | 1/04/02 | RICHARD JOHNSON with PAULA FROELICH and CHRIS WILSON

[kattracks]

THE folks at Msnbc are talking to former Republican presidential candidate and former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Alan Keyes about hosting a 10 p.m. show up against Fox News' new hire, Greta Van Susteren. Meanwhile, Van Susteren, a lawyer before her O.J. Simpson commentary turned her into a CNN star, reportedly has penned an eight-page memo detailing CNN's demerits. She plans to keep the document secret as long as CNN doesn't try to paint her as an ungrateful traitor.

[Miss Marple]

Fluff? I don't think so!

Let me try to explain. The debates are really to present the candidates to the American voters. They are NOT debates in the classical sense.

Gore lost votes because of his sighs, his smarmy attitude, and his bad make-up. He actually won the debate as far as words. Big deal.

I wanted to WIN. Principles are important, but if your candidate loses you will be living under someone else's principles. Plus, as I already state earlier in this thread, I thought Bush would be a great president. I trusted him, I thought him exceptionally honorable and decent, and I liked him.

Try as hard as I can, I do NOT like ALan Keyes. And most voters don't, either. His was a hopeless candidacy.

[Howlin]

I have been totally open about why I do not like Alan Keyes.

[Rowdee]

As I recall, Dr. Keyes always said that Bush couldn't articulate the moral message in the context of him against Gore. And then at some point after he did that study and that prof from AU did the study that showed the WH doesn't change in economic good times, Keyes was stressing that much more the need to address the moral issues.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

We said it was dishonest for Keyes and his supporters to now claim that Keyes is a Bush supporter and has never said a derrogative word about Bush.

If you will point out where anyone said that Keyes had NEVER said a derogative word about Bush, as opposed to never saying a derogatory thing about PRESIDENT Bush, two different things, I might point out, I will be very surprised. Saying derogatory things about your opponent is the job of a candidate.

[GOPJ]

Well said, I'm with you:

As you know, I don't always agree with Dr. Keyes' postions; but respect immensely his exquisite intellect, the ability to articulate with great clarity his thoughts and the strength of character to remain consistent.

[Wait4Truth]

Yes, candidates do this but they don't usually do it AFTER the nominee is selected. Keyes did this right to the end and has not stopped. He is dispicable.

[GOPJ]

Are they fighting over us? Wow, is this what it feels like to be a liberal? I'm not easy, but I can be had. Bye-bye FOX, at 10 I'll be with Keyes at MSNBC.

[EternalVigilance]

hysteria (hi ster'e a), n 1.a psychoneurotic disorder characterized by violent emotional outbreaks, disturbances of sensory and motor functions, and various abnormal effects due to autosuggestion. 2. an uncontrollable emotional outburst, as from fear or grief, often characterized by irrationality, laughter, weeping, etc. 3. a state of intense agitation, anxiety, or excitement, esp. as manifested by large groups or segments of society.

[Howlin]

Howlin, who said that good morals require agreement with Keyes?

A paid Keyes worker; right here on FR; told us ALL that if we didn't agree with Keyes' on stem cells that we were NOT moral.

Is that a good enough answer?

[Rowdee]

..."Keyes but I see very little attempt by his paid employees (who frequent these threads) to "...

Care to provide a list of those who you know are 'his paid employees' whether they frequent these threads or not? Your post suggests there's a good number of them....how about 3?

[VRWC For Truth]

Keyes must think he's Pat Buchanan and will ride the pitchfork to victory in NH in 2004. ROFL. All PmsNBC cares about is that their ratings will double from 1% to 2% and they'll have cornered the market on extremist view points.

Message to Alan: If you want name recognition, think about getting you name in the NY Times, Washgton Post, and on ABC, NBC, CBS. PmsNBC??? Bwahahaha! Who's getting their name mentioned in the above Liberal rags?? GWB. Even Bush's bad press is better than no press at all. You haven't got a prayer.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

This statement is an acceptable one for a candidate, when he has a chance of winning. Keyes had already lost.

Really, Miss Marple, and who made you God. As far as I know there is a God to decide what is 'acceptable', and you are not him. In fact, this piece was published in the first half of March, and was based on an interview that probably occurred a few days earlier. Even in last year's ridiculously accelerated primaries, the majority of the delegates had not yet been picked, and so Keyes had not already lost.

[Howlin]

Yes, that is wise and very hard thing to do when so many rude idiots say such bad things about a good man.

Gosh, we actually agree. A lot of the Keyesters ARE bashing Bush, aren't they? :-)

[seattlesue]

I don't know what Fud means, but it was my mother's nickname when she was growing up. She still uses it to this day. Nice to meet you Fud!

[Miss Marple]

The moral arguments were not used in the debates...since the questions are controlled by the moderators. If President Bush had tried to drag abortion into every question, the way Dr. Keyes does, he would have looked like a fool, been accused of pandering to the right wing, and LOST. As it was it was close, due to democrat cheating, the DUI, and network blackouts of Bush for over a month after the democrat convention.

As far as the Keyes, McCain, Bush debate, I do believe there was discussion at the time about whether the networks would carry it if Bush didn't show up, since he was the frontrunner. I don't have a source for that except for my memory, so you will have to take my word for it or not.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Is that a good enough answer?

Should be, but remember the thought processes of a Keyester. There's even one here who insists on posting to people who never respond back. Now how pathetic is that?

[Miss Marple]

This statement, made in March, was after Bush had cornered enough delegates, due to Super Tuesday.

Why do you feel it necessary to be insulting? You are winning no converts with your attitude.

[Howlin]

Please see #290.

[Keyes For President]

You gotta be kidding, right? After all the venom and name calling thrown around here on just about every Keyes thread and so many other threads on FR--you're going to call me for my little crack about "Fools Republic?" Ok, if you took that as a personal attack I apologize.

As to your question about misreperesenting your other statement--Why don't you explain why you suggested that Alan Keyes would comment that Bush is worse than Hitler?

[PhiKapMom]

Did you read all the statements he made? Keyes was ready to lose the primaries to Pres Bush and was making these statements here in OK. They were not just I am the only candidate that can win, they were mean-spirited and nasty!

I know a lot about politics having been involved in it for more years than I care to think and I know a mean-spirited politician that is arrogant and overbearing when I see one and keyes fit that bill here in Oklahoma. The clip of him talking down to our State Rep was on the TV News that night!

Before OK, I hadn't thought too much one way or the other about keyes and had supported him being in the 1996 debates. Between his radio name calling of GW, his praise of Gore on the radio, his TV appearance on the news, and the articles here in Oklahoma, I learned to dislike the man. It is one thing to want to win, but when you are losing as much as he was, then you don't go around saying things that can be used by your party's opponent like Gore. Keyes and McCain were Gore's best friends but at least McCain went out and campaigned for Bush right after the convention. By the time keyes endorsed him it was almost time for the vote.

Tell me how many nasty things that President Bush said about keyes during the primaries! You won't find any, but you will after the last debate that Bush went over and hugged Keyes.