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Why Christians Don't Understand Non-Christians
ArGee | 1/3/01 | ArGee

Posted on 01/03/2002 11:19:13 AM PST by ArGee

A very rich man decided that he wanted to show kindness to the people of the fair city where he lived. Since he was very rich indeed, he decided to throw a banquet for the entire city. He rented the largest sports arena in the city and began his plans. He planned for huge amounts of the best food possible, making allowances for every religious and medical diet. He advertised the banquet in every possible manner - television, radio, billboard, door-to-door canvassing. Considering that there might be some who could not travel, he arranged for free bus transportation to and from the event, and some special-needs vehicles for all who could not ride busses. He even scheduled the banquet to run for 24 hours a day for several days so that everyone could be sure of being served.

He planned long and hard and finally the big day came. The rich man ate quickly and then went about wishing all his guests well and personally making sure that all had every need met. After a while he went outside to tour the grounds and talk with those who had not yet gone in, and those who had already left. Everyone was happy. Many were profusely thankful. It was a glorious occasion.

At one point the rich man noticed a group of people sitting outside a locked door with most unpleasant looks on their faces. Sensing they were not happy, he went over to them. He did not introduce himself but simply asked them if he could be of service.

"We want to go in through this door," one of them replied.

The rich man explained to them that the hall was arranged to feed a large number of people as quickly and effortlessly as possible. This required order inside, and the entrances and exits had been carefully planned to be as efficient as possible. He then offered to go call one of the golf carts that were avaialbe to help people who could not walk far to take them to the entrance. But the man replied, "We do not want to go in the entrance. We want to go in this door. We don't understand why we can't go in any door we wish. We think the man who set this banquet up is mean and hateful for insisting we go in through the entrance. He has tried to bill himself as a very kind man by offering this banquet, but he is not kind at all if he will not indulge us and let us go through this door.

The rich man was distressed at these words, but still attempted to please these people. He tried once more to explain to them what was behind this particular door, and how if they went in this door they would disrupt the meal service being offered inside. He offered to drive them himself, not only to the door, but inside the hall to their tables if they would only go through the entrance to enjoy the meal. Again the man said, "No, but only a hateful man would keep us from going through the door of our choosing. And we will sit here and tell anyone who will listen to us what an awful man he is until he lets us in."

At that the rich man was enraged and he shouted, "Enough." Then he called a police officer to have them thrown off of the property and ordered that they not be allowed to return until the banquet was over and all the scraps had been hauled away. Then, mourning for their loss, he turned to visit with other guests.


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To: Anamensis
However, you and I obviously see things very differently, so we might as well give it up.

Agreement? No. Understanding? Maybe.

My son turns 18 today. We set up an UGMA account for his college savings when he was young. As of now he doesn't plan to go to college. By law, he has access to all that money. There is nothing we can do about it. He can use the money to offset college tuition, or he can go buy a car. In my eyes he is still a child, and of course he is still my son. But the law says it's up to him.

We've done everything we can to make sure he knows how to choose well. Now the choice is before him. He is free to choose. I will tell him as often as I can that he should choose well, and he can always ask my advice. But the choice is his.

In the same way G-d has done quite a bit to let you know that He loves you and that the best choice you can make is to enter into a relationship with Him. You can deride the effort by calling them "fairy tails about hell" if you want, but I know better. He has even died to get your attention.

Deuteronomy 30:19 This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live.
He calls heaven and earth as witnesses. If you like, when you face him, you can appeal to those witnesses and claim that He didn't give you enough reason to choose correctly. G-d's own law has stated:

15 One witness is not enough to convict a man accused of any crime or offense he may have committed. A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Therefore, I'm sure if heaven and earth come on your side, G-d will follow His own law.

Now you understand me. I believe G-d has given you every chance. I also believe you are an adult, although a child in the eyes of G-d. I believe the choice is fully yours and you will bear the responsibility for the consequences.

I think I understand you. You don't believe that G-d should give you the opportunity to make a bad decision. You believe that He should treat you like you don't have the mental capacity to make such an important choice. I suppose I could pray that He will grab you by the neck and force you - kicking and screaming if need be - into Heaven. Would you like me to pray that way for you? (I know you don't believe in prayer, but you know I do.)

Shalom.

1,221 posted on 01/10/2002 6:43:35 AM PST by ArGee
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To: Elsie
I have no idea, after all, she's only human.
1,222 posted on 01/10/2002 7:04:37 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: ArGee
Just because it's in you mind, doesn't make it true.
1,223 posted on 01/10/2002 7:05:15 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: Jn316
I believe that I always knew He existed, but the knowledge was buried or put away somewhere where I didn't see it.

Not to pick on you, since I'm talking about myself, but that sentence is in the passive voice without identifying the active agent who did the burying or putting away. Would that agent have been you? ;)

I know in my case it would have been me.

Shalom.

1,224 posted on 01/10/2002 7:13:48 AM PST by ArGee
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To: Jn316
I have no idea if there are bodiless supernatural creatures. If they exist, I doubt I would even be able to recognize/comprehend them.
I suppose anything is possible when you are dealing with things that are beyond human comprehension.
I guess if a knowledge of God is hardwired into us, that's probably why I believe in God, and have no idea about bodiless supernatural creatures.
1,225 posted on 01/10/2002 7:14:40 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr; elsie
Just because it's in you mind, doesn't make it true.

OOOOOO-kay! (sidelong glance at the door)

I think I hear my wife calling me. I think I'll leave now.

Elsie, you might want to leave too. Don't make any sudden moves. Just follow me slowly and gently toward the door.

Shalom.

1,226 posted on 01/10/2002 7:16:09 AM PST by ArGee
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To: ArGee
It's good in the idea of God wanting everyone to come to Him, and in that He makes if possible for all to make it, but to me it breaks down a bit in that returning to God requires some effort and dedication on our part, where the story makes it seem too easy and passive to join the feast.

If we fail to make it, it will be as a result of our own choices, not because He gets annoyed with us and gives up on us.

1,227 posted on 01/10/2002 7:17:58 AM PST by Grig
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To: Exigence
There's no need to look up something if I already know the definition. Maybe you should look up the words 'bigot' and 'hypocrite', reread your posts and think about it for a while. What does *g* mean?
1,228 posted on 01/10/2002 7:40:29 AM PST by occam's chainsaw
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To: ArGee
Sorry, I should have made it simpler...What a human thinks (what is in one's mind), cannot change God from what He is.
1,229 posted on 01/10/2002 8:21:49 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
Thanks for your reply.

stuartcr - "If they exist, I doubt I would even be able to recognize/comprehend them."

I believe the supernatural world has a MASSIVE impact on the natural world.

1,230 posted on 01/10/2002 9:21:39 AM PST by Jn316
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To: stuartcr; Elsie
Let me try a little story. This is an old one, so if you've already heard it, skip to the end.

A Baptist minister watched the televised news of the flood with some concern. As the flood waters began to come up on his street he realized he had allowed himself to be cut off. So he knelt down and prayed, "Lord, deliver me from this flood." He believed he heard G-d answer him, "Do not be afraid. I will deliver you." Comforted, he got back up and returned to watching the news, unafraid that the flood would hurt him.

A few minutes later there was a knock at the door. Out on the street was a big four-wheeled truck. The man at the door said, "We're here to evacuate the neighborhood. Come with me and we'll take you to shelter." The minister said, "I don't need to go with you. The Lord Himself has promised to deliver me." The man argued for a few minutes, then gave up and went to see who else needed rescue.

Now the water was actually lapping at the door of the minister's house. He moved to the second story and again knelt to pray. "Lord, will You deliver me from this flood as You promised?" Again he heard G-d's clear reply, "Do not be afraid. I will deliver you." Comforted, the minister prepared to wait. Very soon he heard someone calling on a megaphone. He looked out the window and there was a man in a boat. The man hailed the minister and said, "Come on out and we'll take you to a shelter." The minister said, "I don't need your help. The Lord Himself has promised to deliver me." Again the man finally had to go on to see who else he could rescue.

Eventually the waters rose so high the minister had to move out on the roof. Again he prayed, "Lord, will You not deliver me from the flood as You have promised?" A third time he heard G-d's voice say, "Do not be afraid. I will deliver you." Almost immediately he heard the sound of a helicopter overhead. A man was being lowered down on a cable. The minister tried to wave him away but he kept coming. When he finally arrived the minister thanked him but insisted, "I don't need help. The Lord Himself will deliver me." As before, the helicopter finally had to go look for someone else to rescue.

The flood waters continued to rise and eventually swept the minister to his death.

In heaven, the minister came face to face with Jesus. "I don't understand, Lord. Three times I prayed, asking if you would deliver me, and three times you promised to deliver me. Why am I here?"

Jesus replied, "I sent you a four-wheeler, a boat, and a helicopter. I just couldn't figure out what you were waiting for."

Do you think, stuartcr, that it might have mattered to that minister how he perceived G-d?

Shalom.

1,231 posted on 01/10/2002 9:29:24 AM PST by ArGee
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To: Jn316
It probably does, but I never could figure out how to tell.
1,232 posted on 01/10/2002 10:34:53 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: ArGee
As long as it's a story, I think the minister should have just believed his eyes, instead of a voice in his head.
Now, as far as real life is concerned, one big difference between our thinking, is that for some reason you believe humans need saving from something. I don't.
1,233 posted on 01/10/2002 10:41:21 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: ArGee
What I think is that an omnipotent god has no business creating immortal souls and then allowing them to go to an eternal hell. No business whatsoever. I cannot believe that is the best perfection can do.
1,234 posted on 01/10/2002 10:42:51 AM PST by Anamensis
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To: Anamensis
What I think is that an omnipotent god has no business creating immortal souls and then allowing them to go to an eternal hell. No business whatsoever. I cannot believe that is the best perfection can do.

If it's allowed, make sure you let me know what He says when you tell Him that.

Shalom.

1,235 posted on 01/10/2002 10:50:03 AM PST by ArGee
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To: stuartcr
As long as it's a story, I think the minister should have just believed his eyes, instead of a voice in his head.

Exactly! Because he had an image of G-d in his mind, he waited for G-d to move in the way he anticipated, and missed what G-d was really doing. If you set up an image that is wrong, you may miss it when G-d moves in your life.

Shalom.

1,236 posted on 01/10/2002 10:51:25 AM PST by ArGee
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To: ArGee
That's true, also, God did not change. Regardless of how he interpreted God's response, there still was only one God that responded. Had he prayed to Allah, the moon, etc., the rescue teams still would have arrived, the flood rise, and he still would have drowned. It was his fault. It reinforces my belief that we, as humans, probably can't really understand God. I wonder why we try so hard?
1,237 posted on 01/10/2002 11:38:39 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
I wonder why we try so hard?

Two reasons: 1) to love someone is to want to know Him better; 2) to be sure to see it when He moves.

It's not as if we have to figure Him out on our own. It's not as if He isn't willing to help us.

Shalom.

1,238 posted on 01/10/2002 11:40:35 AM PST by ArGee
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To: Anamensis
What I think is that an omnipotent god has no business creating immortal souls and then allowing them to go to an eternal hell. No business whatsoever. I cannot believe that is the best perfection can do.

A simple but profound observation.

1,239 posted on 01/10/2002 11:41:52 AM PST by OWK
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To: occam's chainsaw
In the 'dictionary' of Web use, it means 'grin'.

In context it means, "I am going to stomp on his foot. I think I'll add this little 'grin' shorthand so I can claim it was supposed to be taken lightly if he REALLY gets upset."


(Easing out door........ NOW!)
1,240 posted on 01/10/2002 12:01:07 PM PST by Elsie
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