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Bush to Ignore Rule on Written Notices of Intelligence Actions
Bloomberg.com ^ | Dec. 28 , 2001 | Heidi Przybyla

Posted on 01/03/2002 9:50:13 AM PST by 74dodgedart

Edited on 07/19/2004 2:09:20 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Crawford, Texas, Dec. 28 (Bloomberg) -- President George W. Bush said he'll use presidential authority to sidestep a rule requiring his administration to provide Congress with written notice of U.S. intelligence activities.

Bush made the announcement in signing the intelligence authorization act for fiscal year 2002, which includes an amendment stating that reports to Congress should ``always be in written form.''


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To: dirtboy
Would you support the president, or support enforcement of the unconstitutional law?

The law needs to be reviewed by the SCOTUS to determine constitutionality.

41 posted on 01/03/2002 10:51:43 AM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: 74dodgedart
What happens when Bush isn't in charge anymore and someone like Clinton snakes his way into office? Are we all still willing to allow the president to operate without any checks or balances?
42 posted on 01/03/2002 10:53:26 AM PST by Freedom_Lemur
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To: OKCSubmariner
GW Bush has now became a Gestapo style dictator. He is a wolf in sheep skin.

Be careful, Patrick.

Senator Inhofe might tell Bush to come down to Oklahoma and scream at your wife and kids, as you say he did.

Sharing intelligence matters with congresspeople who cannot be trusted to keep these secret (and who have PROVEN they cannot keep them secret) is just plain stupid.

This is a shot over Congress' bow. If they want written documentation, let them prove they can keep their mouths shut. Or let them limit the number of congresspeople who will see that documentation.

43 posted on 01/03/2002 10:53:47 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: dirtboy
Congress passes a law and a president signs it that is clearly unconstitutional. The next president refuses to enforce that law on those grounds. Would you support the president, or support enforcement of the unconstitutional law?

It is not the President's place to decide if a law is constitutional or not. That's the job of the supreme court.
44 posted on 01/03/2002 10:55:05 AM PST by FreedomIsSimple
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To: 74dodgedart,OWK
Bush made the announcement in signing the intelligence authorization act for fiscal year 2002, which includes an amendment stating that reports to Congress should ``always be in written form.''

Thank you, I stand corrected. In a better world, Bush should have just vetoed the sucker. But we have also seen how Congress is playing obstructionist politics - would a standoff with Congress over the notification matter jeopardized ongoing anti-terrorism intel activities? And, part of the problem is that Congress stood by idly while Clinton ruled by EO, so they've helped to create this precedent - so now we have a system that is even more dysfunctional than ever, where both sides refuse to exercise their powers in a proper manner.

45 posted on 01/03/2002 10:55:26 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
Not really. IMO much of the so-called oversight exercised by Congress over the executive branch is unconstituional - the Constitution is clear that the president is in charge of operating the government, not Congress. So it is highly relevant - and in this case you are demanding that Bush follow this law, but would you applaud if Bush refused to carry out laws you considered to be blatantly unconstitutional?

If Bush's intent were to challenge the Constitutionality of the requirement, then the honorable (and legal) thing to do, would be to state so, and then challenge the law in the Supreme Court.

But instead, he simply ignores the law he find inconvenient or contrary to his wishes, as is becoming common practice among most government officials.

And the truly sad thing, is that he does so to the cheers of millions of adoring fans.

46 posted on 01/03/2002 10:56:52 AM PST by OWK
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To: Britton J Wingfield
The law needs to be reviewed by the SCOTUS to determine constitutionality.

Part of the problem is that SCOTUS seems to have lost their copy of the Constitution in recent years as well.

47 posted on 01/03/2002 10:57:01 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: 74dodgedart
Bush made the announcement in signing the intelligence authorization act for fiscal year 2002, which includes an amendment stating that reports to Congress should ``always be in written form.''

"Should" or "must"?

If it's "should," then Congress screwed up by not saying "must."

"Should" means Bush can do whatever he wants.

And if Dan Burton doesn't start jumping up and down about this, you'll know that the alarmists on this thread are just hyperventilating.

48 posted on 01/03/2002 10:57:53 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: dirtboy
Yes, and I am recently a vet also so I know the cost.

US Constitution Article I Secion 5 Paragraph 2
Each House may determine the Rules of its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.
49 posted on 01/03/2002 10:58:54 AM PST by borntodiefree
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To: OWK
If Bush's intent were to challenge the Constitutionality of the requirement, then the honorable (and legal) thing to do, would be to state so, and then challenge the law in the Supreme Court.

And how often have YOU recently agreed with SCOTUS rulings in relation to the Constitutionality of a given law? I'll repeat my question again, because you have refused to answer it, and I'll add SCOTUS into the equation: would you personally support the actions of a president who refused to enforce a law you considered blatantly unconstitutional, even if that law was passed by a previous Congress and signed by a previous president and upheld by SCOTUS? Please answer yes or no

50 posted on 01/03/2002 10:59:13 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: sinkspur
should ``always be in written form.''

sink, you can't accurately mix the text of the article with the quote from the bill.

51 posted on 01/03/2002 11:00:09 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: OWK
If you want a dictator, move to Iraq.

Actually Mr. Libertarian (and God bless you for looking out for our "rights" btw) I was just joking but I do feel that it is simply impossible to roll back the damage of the past 60 years without benefit of perhaps strong measures beyond our current scope. I had thought for some time that a cataclysmic event might do the trick but as we are now learning...that simply isn't the case. The left is already back to true form.

Perhaps i should have said that Bush would make a fine president with exponentially increased executive branch powers over the legislative and judicial branches.

Actually we're doomed anyhow I suppose. That we've lasted 200 odd years and thru all sorts of serious nation destroying crap is a miracle enough. Now after all that we're just going to eventually implode of our own excesses and guilt.

I'm not aware of another exact paradigm in history, are you?

52 posted on 01/03/2002 11:00:11 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: dirtboy
Part of the problem is that SCOTUS seems to have lost their copy of the Constitution in recent years as well.

And so the president should just declare himself dictator, and pick and choose what laws he will abide by, and which he will disregard?

C'mon man.... is this really what you want?

Our Constitution and the rule of law are being systematically and intentionally destroyed.

I take no comfort in the fact that the destroyer happens to have an "R" on his team jersey this particular week.

53 posted on 01/03/2002 11:00:23 AM PST by OWK
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To: borntodiefree
Each House may determine the Rules of its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.

What does that have to do with my question?

54 posted on 01/03/2002 11:01:13 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: wardaddy
I'm not aware of another exact paradigm in history, are you?

The fall of Rome is probably the closest.

55 posted on 01/03/2002 11:02:20 AM PST by OWK
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To: OWK
And so the president should just declare himself dictator, and pick and choose what laws he will abide by, and which he will disregard? C'mon man.... is this really what you want?

No ... but I find it ironic that you, of all people, are demanding that we follow the dictates of organizations you have called disfunctional countless times over the years, in order to make a point about Bush. Once again, please answer the question I have posed to you.

56 posted on 01/03/2002 11:02:35 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
sink, you can't accurately mix the text of the article with the quote from the bill.

Well, then, I guess we ought to find out what that adverb is, don't you think?

There's a legal difference between "should" and "must."

57 posted on 01/03/2002 11:06:52 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Well, then, I guess we ought to find out what that adverb is, don't you think? There's a legal difference between "should" and "must."

Look inside the quote - "always" - unless someone pulls up the entire relevant sentence or paragraph from the bill, for the time being I will defer to the "always" inside the quote and take it to mean just that.

58 posted on 01/03/2002 11:08:23 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Cyber Liberty
You'll fry for that one, sure....

Well it won't be the first time. I must confess that while I occasionally find common ground with Libertarians, the Caudillo in me will never allow the breach to close. Conservatives and Libertarians have vastly different ideas about limits on just about everything except the second amendment and maybe some criminal codes.

59 posted on 01/03/2002 11:08:48 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: dirtboy
That's how are congress criters need to be taken care of.

Now, as far as should the president follow an unconstitutional law? Of course not, and at that point he will have to face the House and Senate impeachment process. Then it is our responsibility to hammer our way through to the congress criters and tell them whether or not to impeach.

Now of course we are so far down this path, the only way I see this getting better is dusting of the Declaration of Independance, but thats a personal opinion.
60 posted on 01/03/2002 11:13:06 AM PST by borntodiefree
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