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PERVASIVE PERSECUTION OF CHRISTIANS IN INDIA (my title)
Chicago Tribune ^ | October 29th, 1999 | Uli Schmetzer

Posted on 12/30/2001 6:14:13 PM PST by Justin Raimondo

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:49 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The mob arrived armed with knives and clubs while Rev. Joy Punnose addressed the 120 missionaries gathered in the small town of Dohad in northern Gujarat, an Indian state where Christians have become almost daily targets for Hindu mobs.

The kicks, punches and slaps that followed were not unusual in the northern part of this country, the so-called Hindu belt, where dozens of Christian churches went up in smoke this year, an Australian missionary and his two sons were burned alive, another priest was beaten to death, nuns have been gang-raped, congregations terrorized and priests made to walk naked through village streets.


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To: tex-oma
Uh. Let me quote from your link: In 1997, 27 attacks on Christians and Christian institutions were reported. The number jumped to 86 the following year. One hundred twenty incidents were documented in 1999, and 216 in 2000. And in just the first three months of 2001, 37 incidents were filed.

Ok. Attacks on Christians.. By whom?!?! Maybe its the muslims doing the attacking? This doesn't say.

What's even more interesting is that these statistics are counter productive to your point. Let's break it down:

216 attacks in a nation with a population of over 1 billion, out of whom there are over 30 million christians. Not a day. That's in a year! Let's put these numbers in perspective. Accord to FBI's report on Hate crimes in USA in the year of 1997 there were 1,586 victims of anti-Jewish crimes - IN THAT YEAR ALONE. Let's do the math.
1,586 victims in USA is roughly 7 times more then 216 attacks on Christians in India. There are over 30 million christians in India and about 6 million Jews In USA. That's 5 times more christians in India then Jews in USA. What does that mean? 5 * 7 = 35. Ok, now lets put the 216 Christian attacks in perspective. If Christians were as persecuted in India as Jews are in USA, then instead of 216 attacks, it should have been 216 * 35 = 7,560... Things look quite interesting when you put them in perspective.

Justin, you Jihad lover, while there were 1,586 Jewish victims of hate crimes in 1997, there were only _32_ victims of hate crimes who were Muslims.

122 posted on 12/31/2001 12:12:52 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: Justin Raimondo
Pakistan and India were created simultaneously, originally being one imperial colony of Great Britain

Yea. Muslims got their own Islamic state in Pakistan, while Indians got screwed. They got a secular state of Indian as to not to offend muslims who live in India.

123 posted on 12/31/2001 12:14:28 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: traditionalist
...but they're not about peace and love, I'll tell you that much.

Most of the 4 Vedas are hymnals filled with chants, songs and poems used during ceremonies. But the greater religious meaning is one of personal enlightenment through meditation, prayer and yoga. As opposed to Jihad.

Additionally, they are historical texts, providing a perspective into life 1500 years before Christ was born. They have as much influence on Buddhism, Janism and Sihkism as they do with Hinduism.
124 posted on 12/31/2001 12:15:35 PM PST by BJClinton
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To: tex-oma
I would hardly consider the Christian Broadcast Network objective. They need the perception of Christian prosecution to give themselves gravitas.
125 posted on 12/31/2001 12:24:23 PM PST by BJClinton
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To: BrooklynGOP
It's not surprising that a fanatical Zionist would support the fascist BJP-VHP-RSS ruling party in India, both for its fanatical anti-Muslimism and its "blood and soil" ultra-nationalism. But it is foolish of you to deny the anti-Christian pogroms conducted by the Hindu-fascists, which are widely document. Here is just one news item selected at random: angh Parivar responsible for church attacks: Christians

Our Correspondent in Hyderabad

The All-India Christian Council holds the Sangh Parivar and the Indian government directly responsible for the attacks on churches and Christians. It has rejected claims by Bharatiya Janata Party and Sangh Parivar leaders that external agencies were responsible for these incidents.

In a strongly worded statement, the Council said, "Christian leaders do not accept the theory of external agencies being involved in the attacks on churches and Christians in Uttar Pradesh, Gujarat, Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka and Goa in the last two months.

"The same theory was put forward by a Union minister after the murder of Graham Staines and his two sons. The Indian Christian community is sick of such statements and is not fooled by them. The Sangh Parivar and the central government are directly responsible for the attacks," the statement said.

The council said the five bomb explosions at four churches in three states -- Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka and Goa -- on June 8 had vindicated the community's apprehensions.

The statement comes in the wake of those by BJP politicians and Vishwa Hindu Parishad officials, including BJP vice-president Jagdish Prasad Mathur, general secretary M Venkaiah Naidu, Union Ministers of State Ch Vidyasagar Rao and Bandaru Dattatreya and the VHP's Giriraj Kishore, blaming Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence for the blasts.

"It is the silence of the central leaders and their prolonged fudging of the issue of identifying and dealing with the culprits behind communal violence that has made the country unsafe for one of the most peaceful communities in the nation," the council said.

"It is extremely sad that in an era of globalisation, sections of the Indian community are bent upon taking the nation into the dark ages," it said.

It added, "The time has come for AP Chief Minister Chandrababu Naidu and other National Democratic Alliance partners to keep their promise of protecting the minorities in the country."

The council has convened an emergency meeting of its leaders from across the country on June 15 and 16 at Madras to discuss the issue.

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The group discussed above is a bunch of stormtroopres who delight in their "Aryan" heritage and have vowed to ethnically cleanse all minorities from Indian soil, including such "subversives" as Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, and others. They rampage across India, with the complicity of the police and the government, which look the other way when Christian, Muslim and Sikh homes are burned, women are raped, and people are killed. Now I know that a nice boy like, living in safety and comfort in Brooklyn, you wouldn't want to endorse any of this if he knew about it.

The Christian Council is not complaining for nothing. If the Jewish Council were doing the complaining, I'll bet your little ears would prick up. So now you know how and why Christians are being persecuted in India. Now shut up about how wonderful they are, and remember that the ends do not justify the means.

126 posted on 12/31/2001 1:09:19 PM PST by Justin Raimondo
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To: Justin Raimondo
Here is the url:

http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/jun/10chris.htm

127 posted on 12/31/2001 1:10:56 PM PST by Justin Raimondo
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To: Justin Raimondo
So now you know how and why Christians are being persecuted in India

Sure, I know. Your friend tex-amo provided us with concrete numbers, and they speak strongly against the "ethnical cleansing" case that you are trying to build. Read my above post where I break down the statistics there and in US.

128 posted on 12/31/2001 1:14:14 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: BrooklynGOP
For 1997, one year's worth of statistics. The BJP wasn't even in power then. I'm suuuuuure that you wouldn't want to see Christians persecuted anywhere, for any reason -- right? -- so I just know you'll join me in condemning it.
129 posted on 12/31/2001 1:23:13 PM PST by Justin Raimondo
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To: Justin Raimondo
For 1997, one year's worth of statistics. The BJP wasn't even in power then.

What are you talking about? You have problems reading and comprehending. 1997 is the year I used for USA statistics. I used the year 2000 for the number of attacks on christians in India (216).

I'm suuuuuure that you wouldn't want to see Christians persecuted anywhere, for any reason -- right? -- so I just know you'll join me in condemning it.

That's right. I condemn persecution of Christians anywhere and everywhere. I also condemn you singling out India when its not even on the top of the list of countries which persecute Christians. In a country of over 1 billion you will find that there are a number of attacks against everyone. Christians, Muslms and even Hindus. I put the things into perspective for you. If Hindus persecuted Christians as bad as Jews are being persecuted in US then there would be 7,560 attacks on Christians in India per year instead of 216. As you see, the difference is great. yet I don't see you beating the drum that US is a fascist state, etc. If you were genuinely concerned with persecution of Christians you would want to talk about pakistan, bangladesh, syria, and the rest of your jihad states. But you don't. So there's your anti Indian agenda.

130 posted on 12/31/2001 1:29:58 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: BrooklynGOP
Your hatred of Christianity is showing.
131 posted on 12/31/2001 1:32:04 PM PST by Justin Raimondo
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To: Justin Raimondo
"Which brings me to the answer to your question: Hinduism per se I could care less about. But the fundamentalist version of it being promulgated by the ruling BJP of India is dangerous."

So you are scared of militant Hinduism, yet say nothing about militant Islam. Given the situation we are in, I find that odd. What do you think India's reaction to the killing of 25 (I may be off on the exact number) of its parliament members be? Do you expect India to just shut up and take it?
132 posted on 12/31/2001 2:10:28 PM PST by Michael2001
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To: Justin Raimondo
"I am not a Christian, but I have great respect for believers and I don't think this is something to be taken lightly."

You have great respect for Christians when it suits your pro-Islamic tilt. Most of the time, when Christians are mericlessly being slaughtered by your Muslim buddies, you couldn't care less about Christians.
133 posted on 12/31/2001 2:15:59 PM PST by Michael2001
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To: Justin Raimondo
Your hatred of Christianity is showing.

Where? You are short on evidence and facts. You dont' address any of the facts that are pointed out to you, and what's more you can't even read right. You must be a liberal.

134 posted on 12/31/2001 2:26:59 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: tex-oma
Those numbers are just the atrocities the corrupt regime admits to.

Regime? You must be talking about Pakistan.

138 posted on 12/31/2001 2:53:07 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: tex-oma
You haven't pointed out any facts, you've just been waving your Hindu pom-poms.

Sure I did. I pointed out the numbers and put them in perspective as compared to the amount of hate crimes in US.

Are you an American or an Indian or WHAT? Jeez, you people are CRAZY! You read that article I linked like it you WANTED to minimize the atrocities these people are committing! What kind of person would do such a thing?

What kind of a person would want to MINIMIZE the atrocities? You are right, my kind.

Especially when they've painted a big nuclear bullseye on the Americans in Pakistan!

Oh? You have evidence that they targeting americans in pakistan? They painted a bulls eye on the americans? Not hte pakis? You are beginning to sound more and more like your friend - the drama queen Justin.

139 posted on 12/31/2001 2:58:26 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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