TERROR RECRUITERS (LINK BETWEEN RAT BOY WALKER AND SHOE BOY REID)

New York Post ^ | December 28, 2001 | STEPHEN SCHWARTZ

[aristeides]

December 28, 2001 -- THE scramble to fully identify Richard C. Reid, the man with explosives in his shoes, has turned up a probable link to John Walker, the traitor from Marin County, Calif.

The connection should cause concern about lapses in vigilance by Western investigators of Islamic terrorism.

[aristeides]

So it turns out there is at least one link between American Taliban Rat Boy John Walker and Shoe Boy Richard Reid: during their radicalization, they both belonged to the Islamist organization Tabligh-i-Jamaat. Anybody know anything about this organization and who leads it?

I wonder if it's possible to identify all the members and keep them under observation. Maybe the administration should consider adding it to the list of terrorist organizations whose funds are frozen.

[aristeides]

Indexing.

[TomGuy]

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Slander campaign
... In "Arrest of an ISI gang" (September 10) Tabligh-i-Jamaat has been described
as a revanchist organisation, implying that it is a politically motivated ...
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The Tanzeems and their leaders
... story began in 1980, when cadre of the Jamaat-ul-Ullema and the Tabligh-i-Jamaat
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The terror trajectory
... ISI in 1994, allegedly for his Islamist sympathies, he went on to form the Tabligh-i-Jamaat
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Living in the ISI
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... new corrupt groups, by disguising themselves under the name of Islam. The Bahai,
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... they did not believe Muhammad alaihissalam. These and the Jews were called Ahl-i
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Islam in South Asia
... and Aligarh in the nineteenth century; and of the Jamiyat-ul Ulama, the Tabligh-i
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The Peace Encyclopedia: India
... to Islam proceeds in many areas. Petro-dollars from Saudi Arabia sup-port organizations
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Section One PART SEVEN
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on the longitivity of cold war monsters in the Hindukush
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Islam Online- News Section
... Hasan, son of the New Delhi-based late Amir of the World Tabligh-i-Jamaat, Moulana
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... as 600 to 700. Many of the mosques were a result of local initiative, while the
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[Silly]

More Terror for you:

The Monster and The Bunnies: A Tale of Terror and Suspense

[aristeides]

Thanks. It'll take me a while to get through all that material.

[Shermy]

Discussing the Walker case, a "leading expert" on Tabligh-i-Jamaat, Barbara Metcalf of the University of California, chimed in with the politically correct view of the movement as apolitical: "There is a lot of rhetoric of jihad," she said, "but it's the jihad of personal improvement." Others compared it with the Mormon church.

Metcalf quote interested me, she sounds PC, providing the typical "jihad doesn't mean holy war" canard. Probably doesn't talk to muslims whose thinking doesn't fit her imagination of her sympathy object.

She's got a website: Prof. Barbara Metcalf

She is an "expert" on the group. Here's three of her article titles:

"* 1998 Women and Men in a Contemporary Pietist Movement:The Case of the Tablighi Jama at Appropriating Gender: Womens Activism and Politicized Religion in South Asia ed. Amrita Basu and Patricia Jeffery. New York: Routledge, 107-121" 50-50 odds says this peice apologizes for sexism and says the women in this group are really "empowered" but dumb westerners are blind to see it.

"* 1996 Sacred Words Santioned Practice New Communities Making Muslim Space in North America and Europe ed. Barbara Daly Metcalf. Berkeley: University of California Press 1-27." Hmmm... By use of the post-modern word "space" she means in reality non-assimulation and maintenance of mental or physical ghettoes, no doubt pleasing to many guilt ridden liberals. Wonder if she did any cross-cultural comparisons, say with Iranians or Hindus in America. They don't have much problems. Guatemalans I know don't want "space," they want to integrate!

"* 1996 New Medinas: The Tablighi Jama at in America and Europe Making Muslim Space in North America and Europe ed. Barbara Daly. Berkeley: University of California Press, 110-27" Now she's getting scary. Not just muslilm "space", but that for a radical extremist group, she adds. That's great, she wants to import (impose) "new medinas" for radicals in America and Europe. Haven't read the text, but I would fathom her mental ethnic zoo is colored and conditioned by anti-western values and cultural self-loathing.

[aristeides]

"Space," eh? In German, that's "Raum." I guess UC Davis Professor Metcalf wants us to believe these peace-loving Moslems just want Lebensraum, i.e., space to live in. They don't want to be a "Volk ohne Raum," "nation without space."

[Fred Mertz]

Interesting linkage. Thanks for the post.

[aristeides]

Those articles that you were kind enough to provide links to disagree on whether Tabligh-i-Jamaat is an innocent or radical organization. However, since it was apparently founded by a former head of ISI, Gen. Nasir, and since many of its members joined the two radical organizations President Bush just cut off the funding for, I strongly suspect that the latter is the case, i.e., that it is radical.

[Shermy]

"Space," eh? In German, that's "Raum." I guess UC Davis Professor Metcalf wants us to believe these peace-loving Moslems just want Lebensraum, i.e., space to live in. They don't want to be a "Volk ohne Raum," "nation without space."

Excellent analogy Aris!

[Justin Raimondo]

Before you swallow Stephen Schwartz's drivel, maybe you'd better check out a very informative article that describes his career as a Communist in detail. Formerly known as "Comrade Sandalio," Schwartz is a nutball as anyone who follows this link will soon discover (it's long, but once you get past the introduction it's hilarious): http://www.anarchymag.org/39/munis.html

[aristeides]

Thank you for the information about Schwartz. He may be a nut and a Communist. But is he wrong about this Tabligh-i-Jamaat organization? Isn't he at least right in saying that both Walker and Reid have belonged to it?

[JMJ333]

Schwartz is a nutball

Calling the kettle black?

[goldstategop]

I don't think these guys ever met but boy they certainly have a thing in common: an everlasting hatred for America. I'm sure they were well instructed in how to take down as many infidels with them as possible in the hopes of assuring themselves martyrdom and the promised 72 virgins to service them in paradise. They've must have been surprised to be caught alive; now that I'm sure they didn't foresee. May they rot in hell.

[Justin Raimondo]

Walker said it was "too moderate" for him, and Schwartz -- who is really craaaaazy as a loon, as every San Francisco conservative knows -- ignores this because it doesn't fit his agenda. He's always looking for conspiratorial "links" between "subversive" groups -- and, naturally enough, he finds them. I wouldn't take him too seriously....

[Justin Raimondo]

Schwartz is a Commie, as the article I referenced makes clear. He used to call himself "Comrade Sandalio" -- is that enough to make you sympathetic to him?

[Justin Raimondo]

Here is an article about the nutball Schwartz that appeared in the San Francisco Examiner on May 6, 1987:

A Battle Over Right To Write

He wanted to rebut graffiti with graffiti

by Dennis J. Opatrny, of the Examiner staff

When "New Age Rightist" Stephen Schwartz discovered graffiti calling him "the philosophical whore of North Beach," the former Trotskyite turned red with rage.

He uncapped his felt-tipped pen and was printing a reply to the scurrilous scribblings when he was busted by Mayor Feinstein's anti-graffiti police squad on a charge of malicious mischief, defacing the wall of a Vallejo Street construction site.

Schwartz...has demanded a trial to exonerate his exercise of free speech.

"I was just going to answer that I was not the philosophical whore of North Beach," said Schwartz, 37.

If he wants a trial, he can have it, said Assistant District Attorney Joseph Hoffman, who believes citizens have the right to speak out under the First Amendment–but with limits.

"The remedy is that he can stand on a street corner and yell all he wants that he's not the philosophical whore of North Beach," Hoffman said. "But he can't go around defacing other people's property."

Municipal Judge George Chopelas Wednesday set July 21 for trial. If convicted, Schwartz faces six months in the county jail and a $1,000 fine...Quoting Schwartz's attorney, Carlos Bea, "We don't think this is what the mayor meant in her anti-graffiti campaign. In fact, it's a sad day when a person can't rebut in public the allegation that he's a philosophical whore of North Beach."

Naturally, a nutball Communist wouldn't believe in respecting property rights.

[angkor]

Regardless, the government of India does in fact regard Tablighi Jamaat to be a terrorist organization (for good reason), and that with regard to Kashmir and Jammu, Tablighi Jamaat has very close ties to Pakistani intelligence (ISI).

Information detailing these issues has been provided to the USG and to Congress repeatedly over the last several years. And it can be investigated, or not. Apparently, not.

Pakistan is the nexus of evil and heart of Islamist terrorism.

[JMJ333]

Sandalio could be a card carrying Bolshevik and it wouldn't make you any less of a nutball.

I take exception to your disdain for people of faith by terming them the "Amen Corner," and your incessant ranting about how communist Israel is responsible for all evil on earth.

I'm sure you could care less. Regards.

[Justin Raimondo]

What are you talking about? What does Israel have to do with anything? (please don't tell me.....)