Posted on 12/21/2001 11:34:36 AM PST by onedoug
"You got me plum-hypnotized," Elmer Gantry says to Sister Sharon Falconer in that film/novel.
Is that the case with me over Joyce Meyer?
She seems pretty good at down-home preachin'. And while not a classic beauty, she yet ministers out a fair amount sex appeal, along with the word.
(I think, ultimately, it's those Texas/Missouri eyes.)
I post this to philosophy since, as I know she has a fair amount of, at least internet detractors, it yet seems that her ability to project the Word, is as anchored in the integrity of faith as any other TV preacher I can recall.
...Except perhaps the late Bishop Fulton J Sheen.
In short though, Meyer lately fascinates me, and I'm curious what other Freepers may think. Particularly Evangelicals!
Thanks, and Merry Christmas to All!
(Compare Psa 5:7 )
thy word above all thy name--that is, God's promise ( 2Sa 7:12-16 ), sustained by His mercy and truth, exceeded all other manifestations of Himself as subject of praise.
And notice, the only place you see these exposee's are on the web. Or within the confines of the prisons they call churches. These vile people are nothing more than the enemy's tools to tear the body apart. Just as Satan does, they take scripture and twist it so that one reading them can become confused. No wonder we are warned to be discerning about what we take into our spirit. How subtle they can be. Most often they aren't but when they want to be they can. Just like the enemy who uses them.
And notice, the only place you see these exposee's are on the web. Or within the confines of the prisons they call churches. These vile people are nothing more than the enemy's tools to tear the body apart. Just as Satan does, they take scripture and twist it so that one reading them can become confused. No wonder we are warned to be discerning about what we take into our spirit. How subtle they can be. Most often they aren't but when they want to be they can. Just like the enemy who uses them.
I am not as interested in it as I was 7 years ago yes I admit as much. But then again that applies to everything in my life now not just scripture. My studying days are behind me and no not by choice. It is now difficult to read a paragraph and concentrate on it never mind a chapter. Even a whisper to me of distraction and the thought process leaves. A medical problem is the cause not a spiritual one.
You say I'm not interested in GODS word as in not wanting truth as though you are wrong and you do not know me or my heart who made you my judge? I care enough to understand it that when I could I read up on Hebrew traditions so the parables were more clear as well as prophecies. All of them each and every one centers around Hebrew customs. Understand them and a new understanding comes to the Bible as well as a deeper appreciation. No I don't read much anymore. I don't watch tv either. A post that takes you a few seconds takes me perhaps 30 minutes and has harsh spelling mistakes as well as structure in my sentences.
Church? No I don't go there. I prefer when I could go a church that the preacher was spirit filled. That is now not possible as my neurological responses would be a distraction to myself and others. Pastors like Meyer and Hagee deliver the message to me and others unable to attend church. I listen to other not just them. But I'll tell you this much if the first words out of the preachers mouth is wholesale condemnation of other Christian faiths off goes the tv. That differs greatly from one explaining why their church believes this context from anothers.
On a good day I can sit through most of it. On the bad ones I catch the opening sentences. Even prayer is a problem as my mind goes elsewhere in the midddle of it. It might suprise you though to actually learn how conservative to scripture my beliefs actually are. But then again that is not what matters to me either. I am leary of and shy away from those who demand absolute obiedience to their teachings on faith and the Gospel. Jim Jones deceived many by demanding absolute loyality to his doctorine. And many absolutely followed him blindly as well. Yes they as well though they had GOD's plan and only they could possibly be right. My purpose for staying with this thread? I posted it before . To dispell or limit the damage to weaker faiths of others reading this thread. I've had persons from about all churchs try to convert me or worse try to cast doubts on my very salvation. That is not of GOD and is wrong. Yet amazingly each church it seems thinks it is their duty to disrupt the convictions of others even by means of deceit themselves.
This word appears 101 times in 95 verses. Each time the same greek word is used.
That arguement you will have to take up with Noah Webster who knew literally every chapter and verse in the Bible. :>}
Gos"pel (?), n. [OE. gospel, godspel, AS. godspell; god God + spell story, tale. See God, and Spell, v.]
1. Glad tidings; especially, the good news concerning Christ, the Kingdom of God, and salvation.
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom. Matt. iv. 23.
Why would you assume that I wouldn't accept a "No" as readily as a "yes"? Why does it bother anyone that I got my prayers answered as a new Christian... regardless of how I prayed? Couldn't you just rejoice with me?
My question was based on that ..Did your prayer change God's plan? Or were your prayers in line with God's plan?
Well...let's see...When God showed me that my husband was going to be killed in a plane crash... then put a burden on my heart to intercede for him several weeks before the actual crash, it might have had something to do with saving his life, but I doubt his untimely death would've been in God's plan anyway. (More like Satan having been sidetracked in his plan to steal, kill and destroy)......When I prayed for provision to put food on the table and keep the electricity on....while the hubby was recovering... I don't think I went against His plan, do you? When I asked for his healing when the Dr.'s said he'd never walk again...and he walked out of the hospital under his own power...8 days later....I don't think I subverted His plan there, either. When I needed transportation to get to work (and received that)... so I could feed/clothe my family... I don't think it was out of His Will or plan for my life. When I prayed for my athiest Dad's salvation and was awakened in the middle of the night by the Holy Spirit to go pray with him on his deathbed (which resulted in his accepting Christ in the final 4 hrs of his life) I don't think it bent His plan out of shape... do you? (Oops.. according to some on this board... my Dad's acceptance of Christ wouldn't be valid... because it was a woman ministering to a man! *gasp*) Should I go on? I have LOTS.
An example..You want the promotion at work so you pray for it..God has a plan that you will relocate to Buffalo so you can become involved in a certain ministry. ..Now the choice...does God answer your "faith " prayer..and change His plan just to please you? Or does he refuse your prayer request so you will be available to move next spring? Would you still believe in Him ? If God bends over to please you and meet your need who is God you or Him?
Do you sit in one place ...afraid to move forward for fear that you'll miss God's Will or plan for you? Or do you move forward with the desire He's put upon your heart...asking that He close the doors that need to be shut and open the ones that need to be open... so that you'll keep on track?
You know...this is really rich. First we are discussing Joyce Meyer's right to preach/teach...and now we're into judging each other's heart, faith and prayer life. Sad, sad, SAD.
I am not trying to be mean in saying that. Nor do I claim to have all the answers for you. But I still think you need to re-read my posts on this thread. You and I are miles apart.
Yes... I have the tape "No More Tears". I could relate to the struggle... having gone through a severe bout of depression myself. It was hell.... but nowhere as severe as what she went through. Only Jesus could have pulled her out of it... and He did. :)
As far as her alopecia's concerned.... I know she's had several health related problems over the years......but they rarely talk about them.
Well Doc between the GOD to strenghten me and low dosages of Xanax to tone down my distorting damaged sensory receptors I'll be OK. I have sensory processing disorders both audio and visual mostly Vestibular which gives spasms as part of the anxiety attack this triggers. Anxiety attacks in my case come from too much of certain offending sensory situations. Non phobic as well. Just a thorn in the flesh so to speak. It's been there since childhood buy went accute 8 years ago. Been to doctors with it too. Nearly drove me bonkers with anti-depressants till I found out for myself the problem.
Listen I can respect your beliefs realize we are far apart and still realize we both serve the same GOD and Christ. That is the matter of all importance. The rest IMHO stirs arguements that even though we can discuss these matters and stay anchored in our beliefs may cause harm to those not so strong. I've been through that valley of doubt and made it through stronger with GODs Grace. I do not wish it on another. The same Holy Spirit who leads us into all truths will do just that in GODs chosen time. Happy New Year.
You're doing just great. I know that your condition is probably very frustrating.. especially since you've made reference to how you liked to study, prior to the acute phase of your illness. God Bless....and we've got you in our prayers!
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