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Girls to Guys -- It's on the Rise
San Francisco Examiner ^ | 12/19/01 | Tanya Pampalone

Posted on 12/19/2001 8:58:59 AM PST by medlarebil

At his brother's wedding, the photographer put Marcus Rene Van with the men in the family and his sister screamed, "That's my sister."

Technically -- and biologically -- she's right. But two years ago, the 25-year-old spoken word artist with a tiny goatee swapped genders and went from she to he.

Van is one of a rising number of young women who are opting to live their lives as men -- a trend on the rise in San Francisco's lesbian community.

Business is booming for doctors specializing in chest surgery, clinics that provide hormone treatment and psychologists who offer gender therapy, with one popular surgeon completing twice as many surgeries as he did five years ago.

When Van -- who lives as a man without the help of hormones or surgery -- made the switch, it wasn't a popular thing to do. Now, he said, he's just another trans man living in The City.

Access to transsexual procedures is helping many be true to their chosen gender. But is easy access to hormones and the deluge of information about transsexuality helping those in need, or is it just plain hip right now to be a boy?

"I think (some young) people are going to end up regretting what they have done," Van said of those who might be too quick to take hormones without considering the effects. "If you take hormones for a couple of years, there is no turning back."

Easy access

Dimensions, the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender youth clinic in the Castro-Mission Health Center, is where many trans men have been coming since the doors opened three and a half years ago.

The clinic offers hormone treatment and has at least 25 female to male (FTM) transsexual clients who are on testosterone, according to clinic coordinator Laurie Lenrow.

Before a patient is permitted to take the hormones, they (or their guardians, if they are underage) are required to sign a consent form that outlines the permanent damage testosterone can do. Hair loss, beard and mustache growth, deepening of the voice, increased body hair and enlargement of the clitoris are irreversible, and the risk of cancer and diabetes is increased.

The clinicians here, like many who work with the transsexual community, do not closely adhere to what they consider conservative international standards of care for transsexuals, the Harry Benjamin Standard. The guidelines suggest three months of psychiatric treatment for those wanting to take hormones.

But patients at Dimensions do not have to undergo therapy and most are able to start hormone treatment within five weeks of their initial visit, following lab tests and a staff review of the individual case.

Lenrow compares taking testosterone to birth control pills, and points out there are many who don't take hormones or get operations. Besides, she said, most of their clients have been considering transition since they were teenagers and are usually "well-prepared" to make the decision.

Making history

Barely old enough to buy a drink, Chris Tavelli, 21, got chest surgery to remove his breasts in March and began taking testosterone in May.

He said he has known that his gender was wrong for as long as he remembers, but still admits that he made his decision at a young age, even though his family wanted him to wait.

But he doesn't think he'll have any regrets.

"Anything is possible, but I highly doubt I will ever regret it," he said. "You don't get to this decision on the whim. I'm just not a girl."

Still, many in the lesbian community are struggling to understand why so many young women want to change genders. While some view it as betrayal, others are just confused.

Bonnie Barrett, 33, graphic designer, is one of the confused. Barrett has been mistaken for a boy all her life.

"I'm not that old-fashioned," she said. "But (taking hormones) is a radical decision that I think is taken very lightly. What's wrong with just going to gym? What's wrong with just being butch?"

Why not just be a butch lesbian is a question that Van and Tavelli have all been asked a million times.

"It didn't fit," Van said simply. "I wanted to be myself, and myself is male."

Under the knife

A graceful metal robot with big red lips and voluminous breasts greets Michael Brownstein's clientele in his Potrero Hill loft medical office.

The gray-haired plastic surgeon has been doing sexual reassignment surgery in The City for more than 20 years. He has done hundreds of mastectomies and metoidioplasties -- the transformation of external female genitals into male (see inset) -- and business is booming.

Brownstein is doing twice as many surgeries as he did five years ago for clients who are mainly women in their 20s and 30s and want a mastectomy, or top surgery -- the more common of the two procedures that he does.

But he maintains that having surgery -- or even changing genders -- is not a fad.

"It's not a trendy thing," he said. "It's not like a rave party. This is a real condition."

Brownstein said the reason for the increase in procedures is that there is more acceptance of transsexuals, and more access to information via the Internet.

As chairman of the ethics committee for the Harry Benjamin International Gender Dysphoria Association, he makes certain that his clients are ready to make the decision for surgery. But Brownstein doesn't require a letter from a therapist in every case, as is required in the guidelines.

"Someone who is 40 and has lived as a male for 20 years successfully, I wouldn't have much reservation," he said. "But a 22-year-old doesn't have that same degree of experience."

Getting equipped

Riley Richard is considering his options.

The 26-year-old with a sweet round face and tattoos running up his arm is going to therapy to figure out if hormones are the right treatment for him.

A few months ago, Richard decided to switch genders and went from she to he. Inside, Richard is all man.

"I'm a boy and I always have been," he said behind black-rimmed glasses and a ski cap pulled around his face. "I just don't have the biological equipment."

Richard has made the choice to go by "he" in a workplace that is accepting of his new gender, even though he was blessed otherwise.

Pronouns are important at Good Vibrations, where Richard works as a warehouse clerk. Sometimes it's the only word that gives away a person's gender in the sex toy distribution company where up to 15 percent of the employees are transsexuals -- the majority of whom are female to males transsexuals in their 20s and 30s.

But while Richard contemplates taking hormones, chest surgery is something he plans to do as soon as he can save the money.

Van doesn't plan to have surgery, top or otherwise.

"I want to keep my body intact," he said. "But there are things I can't do. I can't wear a tank top, I can't walk into a men's locker room."

But taking testosterone would change some of that. It would stop his periods, put more hair on his face, move fat off his hips and into his abdomen. It would make his bones bigger, his voice lower. With so many friends taking hormones, it's something Van has been contemplating.

"I think about it every day," he said.

E-mail Tanya Pampalone at tpampalone@sfexaminer.com


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To: medlarebil
San Fran - What a leper colony!
101 posted on 12/19/2001 12:34:23 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: medlarebil
Ya know? Maybe we're going about this all wrong. Maybe it doesn't make sense to walk up to someone who's nuts and say, 'You're nuts!' It certainly doesn't seem to be too effective a way to help people realize that they're nuts. Maybe a different approach is in order.

I suggest that we found an organization called BRAAD. That would be pronounced 'brad' and would stand for 'Bigot and Redneck Alliance Against Defamation.' We will tell the world that we are out of the closet, we are tired of being ridiculed and hiding from who we truly are. Our chant will be, "We're here, we're a$$holes, GET USED TO IT." We'll demand that people stop using negative stereotypes. When people who don't like bigots and rednecks meet, we'll drown them out and interrupt their meetings by throwing hog-jowls and chitlens and muscle shirts all over the place. We'll force the APA to make it an unethical practice to try to help a bigot or redneck be tolerant. We can put out press releases, hold rallies (with lots of Bar-B-Que), and lobby congressmen with a 'Bud' in one hand and a sweet thing in short denim shorts hanging off of the other. We'll convince people we are born this way or beat them to a pulp. Either way we'll change the culture.

Oh, yeah. We also have to get a curriculum together that tells our story in a comprehensive manner from K-12th grade. We can also help universities put together speech codes.

Think anyone would catch on?

After all, why is one person's right to be homosexual more important than another person's right to be a bigot?

Shalom.

102 posted on 12/19/2001 12:35:50 PM PST by ArGee
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To: proud2bRC; JMJ333
Check out #102. Think it would work?

Shalom.

103 posted on 12/19/2001 12:36:26 PM PST by ArGee
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To: kcrack
This is nonsense. God created everybody for one sole porpuse, to be happy and to be free.

Two questions:

1. Is that supposed to be purpose or porpoise?

2. Can you be free and sad?

104 posted on 12/19/2001 12:36:56 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: ArGee
Like I said, I'm with you on your BK choice. However, when I mentioned the vegetarians, I meant that they might just think that chosing between McDonald's or BK is masking the real choice of choosing, as you said, "whether to get help in rectifying a mental illness [eating meat] or to rationalize the results of said illness."

In other words, we carnivores be no better than those homosexuals.
105 posted on 12/19/2001 12:37:01 PM PST by abandon
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To: medlarebil
What do you call the surgery that turns women into men:

Addadicktome!

106 posted on 12/19/2001 12:38:41 PM PST by TRY ONE
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To: Equality 7-2521
We were all the same gender when we started out and the only difference is that some of us have a Y chromosome and some of us don't.

Many a cake has been ruined in the mix.

107 posted on 12/19/2001 12:40:58 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: Dimensio
This then leads to issues of how can anyone be accountable to G-d for anything since G-d set up the whole mess in the first place with full foreknowledge of how it would all work out and that if He wanted different results then He should have arranged things differently -- after all, He is supposed to be the prime cause of everything.

I know you to be a pretty bright guy from one of our recent exchanges. This question is very adequately addressed in the Bible, particularly the Gospel. Have you read it? I can post a few verses but the context helps a lot.

In other words, Satan was condemned before he was even created, and he never had a chance to be anything but evil.

There is a difference between knowing that someone will do something and forcing him/her to do it. For a simplistic example, if I leave the door to the garage open my dog will go through. I won't want her to, but she will. Will I have forced her to go through? No. Will she have had a choice in the matter? Yes. Will I be responsible for her going through? Yes, in part. But I will still let her know it was wrong in an attempt to have her do what I want next time. I won't, however, beat her too harshly because I could have prevented it all by closing the door.

The example is simplistic because I can not hold my dog to any near the standards of intelligence that G-d could hold Satan to.

Shalom.

108 posted on 12/19/2001 12:41:49 PM PST by ArGee
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To: abandon
In other words, we carnivores be no better than those homosexuals.

I get your point. That gets to the heart of how we know when something is a mental illness. Why are MPD or schizophrenia or alcholism mental illnesses?

I think the answer is clear. It takes a certain level of intentional self-deception before the clear becomes befuddled.

Shalom.

109 posted on 12/19/2001 12:44:07 PM PST by ArGee
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To: Cultural Jihad
You can't change a woman into a man, or a man into a woman, through surgery, any more than you can change a horse into a zebra by painting stripes on it.
110 posted on 12/19/2001 12:46:22 PM PST by lady lawyer
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To: ArGee
In other words, Satan was condemned before he was even created, and he never had a chance to be anything but evil.

There is a difference between knowing that someone will do something and forcing him/her to do it. For a simplistic example, if I leave the door to the garage open my dog will go through. I won't want her to, but she will. Will I have forced her to go through? No. Will she have had a choice in the matter? Yes. Will I be responsible for her going through? Yes, in part.


The comparison falls flat when applying it to an omnipotent and omniscient being. You presumably are leaving your garage door open for some purpose, and your dog going through the door is an unintended side-effect. That is likely a limitation of what you have available. Were you omnipotent, however, you could set up a situation wherein you achieve whatever objective is desired from leaving your garage door open, but your dog still will not go through or will not want to go through. Were you omniscient you could think up whatever method is necessary to accomplish that. Further, you did not create your dog and as such you cannot be held completely accountable for your dog's nature and thought processes.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Gospel verses you mentioned (with some context, if it wouldn't mean spamming up the board).
111 posted on 12/19/2001 12:49:14 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Crusty_Pant_Suit
Hey ol' buddy, wazzup? You comin' to the CPAC thingy? dubya and Benson_Carter and thefactor and me might show...
114 posted on 12/19/2001 12:55:31 PM PST by maxwell
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To: Equality 7-2521
"If god created everything and made all of the rules, then yes, it should be held accountable for the multitude of mistakes including people confused about their sexuality."

Wrong! God also gave us a set of rules to for healthy living called the 10 commandments (not suggestions). You violate them at your own and society's peril.

115 posted on 12/19/2001 1:00:29 PM PST by semaj
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To: ArGee
I think the answer is clear.

Tell me. Tell me. I must know.
116 posted on 12/19/2001 1:03:57 PM PST by abandon
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To: medlarebil
The gray-haired plastic surgeon has been doing sexual reassignment surgery in The City for more than 20 years. He has done hundreds of mastectomies and metoidioplasties -- the transformation of external female genitals into male (see inset)

EEEEEWWWWWWWWWW!!

Thank you for not including the inset.

118 posted on 12/19/2001 1:12:45 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: all
Such ignorance.

Are people born with an XY chromosome pair but posessing female sexual organs men or women? What if a person was born with an XX pair and a penis?

Yes there have been cases of this. And here is why.

XX and XY chomosome combinations are not as important as to which gender the baby (in fetal stage) devolops into to as most people think.

What is important in determining a baby’s gender is the proportions of estrogen and testosterone and when those proportions are administered during the child’s devolopment in the womb.

Now the strongest medical evidence as to what causes transsexuals and physical gender deformities (and homosexuality to a degree) is because a person's primal identity (including gender and sexual preference) in the brain devolops at a far earlier stage than the rest of the body.

During the early stages of devolopment in the womb, a XY chomosome brain experiences what is called a testosterone wash, not if there is not enough testosterone administered at this time in devolopment, the XY chomosome brain will default to a female brain. Also, if a XX chomosome brain experiences a testosterone wash, there is a that it will devolop into a male brain.

This is the strongest evidence as to what causes transsexuals and homosexuality.

Later in the XY chomosome fetal devolopment, the XY chomosome body requires a constant supply and high amounts of testosterone to devolop in a male body. If the XY chomesome boby does not get a constant supply of testosterone or not enough of testosterone, the XY chomosome sexual organs and sexual genitals will begin to revert back to female sexual organs and genitals. Also, if a XX chomosome begins to recieve testoster from the womb, then there is a chance that the XX chomosome will begin to devolop male sexual organs and male sexual genitals.

This is the strongest evidence as to what causes physical gender deformities, including a person with XX chomosomes to have a penis and a person with XY chomosome to has a vagina.

Most of you here who have the false view that a person's mental gender is define by their physical gender can trace back your view to the flawed reseach of Dr. Money. Dr. John Money was an idiot who do not follow up on his own reseach. His reseach destroyed a boy's childhood. I honestly don't have the stomach right now to type out the whole tragic story. But if you want the whole story, use a search engine to look up: Dr John Money

119 posted on 12/19/2001 1:16:01 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: semaj
Wrong! God also gave us a set of rules to for healthy living called the 10 commandments (not suggestions). You violate them at your own and society's peril.

Would you please point to me in what parts of the Ten Commandments where transsexuals and homosexuality is wrong.

120 posted on 12/19/2001 1:20:26 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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