[ArGee]

This then leads to issues of how can anyone be accountable to G-d for anything since G-d set up the whole mess in the first place with full foreknowledge of how it would all work out and that if He wanted different results then He should have arranged things differently -- after all, He is supposed to be the prime cause of everything.

I know you to be a pretty bright guy from one of our recent exchanges. This question is very adequately addressed in the Bible, particularly the Gospel. Have you read it? I can post a few verses but the context helps a lot.

In other words, Satan was condemned before he was even created, and he never had a chance to be anything but evil.

There is a difference between knowing that someone will do something and forcing him/her to do it. For a simplistic example, if I leave the door to the garage open my dog will go through. I won't want her to, but she will. Will I have forced her to go through? No. Will she have had a choice in the matter? Yes. Will I be responsible for her going through? Yes, in part. But I will still let her know it was wrong in an attempt to have her do what I want next time. I won't, however, beat her too harshly because I could have prevented it all by closing the door.

The example is simplistic because I can not hold my dog to any near the standards of intelligence that G-d could hold Satan to.

Shalom.

[Dimensio]

In other words, Satan was condemned before he was even created, and he never had a chance to be anything but evil.

There is a difference between knowing that someone will do something and forcing him/her to do it. For a simplistic example, if I leave the door to the garage open my dog will go through. I won't want her to, but she will. Will I have forced her to go through? No. Will she have had a choice in the matter? Yes. Will I be responsible for her going through? Yes, in part.

The comparison falls flat when applying it to an omnipotent and omniscient being. You presumably are leaving your garage door open for some purpose, and your dog going through the door is an unintended side-effect. That is likely a limitation of what you have available. Were you omnipotent, however, you could set up a situation wherein you achieve whatever objective is desired from leaving your garage door open, but your dog still will not go through or will not want to go through. Were you omniscient you could think up whatever method is necessary to accomplish that. Further, you did not create your dog and as such you cannot be held completely accountable for your dog's nature and thought processes.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Gospel verses you mentioned (with some context, if it wouldn't mean spamming up the board).

[Equality 7-2521]

Will she have had a choice in the matter? Yes.

Don't tell that to the homocentrists (humans-elitists not gay-elitists) on the anti-animal threads. According to them, animals act strictly on either instinct or reactions to stimuli and do not make choices.