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Are liberal Democrats the new black helicopter loonies?
Captal de Buch | 12-10-01 | Captal de Buch

Posted on 12/10/2001 3:03:32 PM PST by Captal de Buch

Are the liberal Democrats becoming the black helicopter loonies of the new millennium?

 

Remember the black helicopter loonies of the 90’s? Linda Thompson, Mark from Michigan and the other crazies, remember how all their stupid ranting seem to stick to conservatives like Velcro? Those bozos created all sorts of credibility problems for anyone who spoke up about issues in the Clinton administration. Any time a conservative criticized the Clinton administration he or she would be dismissed as just another Clinton hating black helicopter loony. This dismissible conservative credibility in the eyes of the American public seemed to embolden Clinton to do what he damn well pleased without fear of retribution from the public, even to the point of lying to Congress and the American people.

 

Is the shoe on the other foot now?

 

Charles Schumer, Maxine Waters and others from the left appear have taken up the mantel of un-credible loonies whose words and actions are destroying any credibility the Democrats have when it comes to criticizing the Republicans and the Bush administration. Their ranting doesn’t seem to change Bush’s popularity ratings, in fact they make it look like the Democratic Party agenda is simply a sour grapes plot to get Bush.

 

Do the Republicans realize this? If they do realize this can they take advantage of the situation or will the innate Republican fear of doing something stupid turn into another round of not doing anything at all?


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To: VA Advogado
so we focus on him.

Who is "we?"

Having identity problems, too? Cybil, is that you?

161 posted on 12/10/2001 5:24:01 PM PST by Doctor Doom
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To: John Jorsett
in the case of Democrats, they'd be called 'diversity' helicopters.

LOL!

162 posted on 12/10/2001 5:24:45 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: VA Advogado
That's the poorest and most facile analogy I've ever seen.

Congrats. You win a carrot.

163 posted on 12/10/2001 5:24:52 PM PST by Doctor Doom
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To: realpatriot71
What's next, "my dad can beat up your dad"?

My Dad's 73 with mild emphasyma(sp?don't care), gout, and 70 lbs. overweight. And he'd still kick Avocado's fathers' ass. So there!
164 posted on 12/10/2001 5:25:00 PM PST by motzman
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To: Doctor Doom
Otherwise you'd know that Article I, Section 8 makes both unconstitutional.

Knucklehead. My statement COMES from the court decision. The thing you said would be constitutionally violated if congress passed a law banning partial birth (3rd trimester) abortions.

165 posted on 12/10/2001 5:25:05 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: Demidog
Where did I say that Americans are morally and genetically superior?

When you claimed that they have more rights than others who do not happen to be citizens.

The Constitution of the United States outlines rights that American citizens have that non-citizens don't.

You apparently don't respect the Constitution.

I could have guessed as much.

166 posted on 12/10/2001 5:25:09 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: VA Advogado
And on what do you base your belief that the unborn have rights?
167 posted on 12/10/2001 5:25:35 PM PST by Doctor Doom
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To: VA Advogado
So you would base new law on Roe v Wade?

Two carrots for you.

168 posted on 12/10/2001 5:26:36 PM PST by Doctor Doom
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To: sinkspur
The Constitution of the United States outlines rights that American citizens have that non-citizens don't.

Not it does not.

169 posted on 12/10/2001 5:27:14 PM PST by Demidog
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To: Demidog
Are you born with rights or did Bush give them to you and can he take them away whenever he sees fit?

As an American (or someone being on U.S. soil for 30 seconds), I am born with rights. You are trying to twist this into my alleged support of the "Patriot Act".

No Constitutional edict holds water in a foreign land, or else our nation would have had an obligation to attack Afghanistan to save those two female evangelists.

This IS a rhetorical question - do you believe in national sovereignty?

170 posted on 12/10/2001 5:27:50 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: A.J.Armitage
Federal laws against murder other than in the federal district would also be unConstitutional.

Then why has the supreme court, in Roe, and its progeny, allowed for the federal government to regulate in this area? And if the court allows it and you dont vote for it, you're an abortionist as far as I am concerned. No silly libertarian theory should trump the right of a human being to live their full life.

171 posted on 12/10/2001 5:28:03 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: Demidog
If you don't have inalienable rights, then our founders were liars.

The founders were Americans, the patriots who fought to free us from British rule only fought to free the United States of America, they didn't keep on going to free other people. They didn't seem to have an opinion on global inalienable rights, they didn't start some world war to make sure all people had inalienable rights, only the Americans.

172 posted on 12/10/2001 5:28:03 PM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
The Founders recognized that while all men have unalienable rights, the proper scope of their power (respecting national sovreignty) meant that they could only ensures those rights for those within their borders.
173 posted on 12/10/2001 5:30:04 PM PST by Doctor Doom
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To: FITZ
they didn't keep on going to free other people.

So what. They said that "people" had rights and that the government has no special power to create them. Thus, it may not on whim, "remove" them.

In every jurisdictional arena, America must adhere to its consitution.

If we send the FBI to some other nation and arrest somebody, they had better abide by the constitution.

174 posted on 12/10/2001 5:30:37 PM PST by Demidog
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To: sinkspur
I think they knew what they meant when they said "We the people of the United States" if they meant the whole world they would have said "We the people of the whole world".
175 posted on 12/10/2001 5:30:55 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Doctor Doom
That's the poorest and most facile analogy I've ever seen.

Whats that saying, the first to use the Nazi word loses. You didnt use Nazi but I must be hitting a nerve.

176 posted on 12/10/2001 5:31:14 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: Demidog
Not it does not.

You may disagree that the Constitution does not outline rights of American citizens, but you'd be wrong.

Laws devolving from the Constitution allow the deportation of non-citizens.

You contend, apparently, that this is not Constitutional? Or that the United States does not have the right to force non-citizens out of the country?

177 posted on 12/10/2001 5:32:04 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: VA Advogado
Federal laws against murder other than in the federal district would also be unConstitutional.

Then why has the supreme court, in Roe, and its progeny, allowed for the federal government to regulate in this area?

Perhaps the same reason it ruled that blacks can't have rights and that corn grown for personal use is interstate commerce.

And if the court allows it and you dont vote for it, you're an abortionist as far as I am concerned.

The oath sworn by a member of Congress is to the Constitution, not the Supreme Court.

178 posted on 12/10/2001 5:32:21 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: sinkspur
To: VA Advogado

You left off Demidog, tex-omar, Zviadist, Justin Raimondo, A.J. Armitage....all the anti-Americans who hide behind the Constitution as they give terrorists the same rights as American citizens.

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Anyone who is not a coward would flag those they flame.

For shame. You have no honor.

179 posted on 12/10/2001 5:32:44 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Doctor Doom
Then why did they provide for a common defense? Defense against what? Invaders from other countries? Why did they kill the British who landed on the shores? Where was their respect for their inalienable rights? The redcoats were not given due process.
180 posted on 12/10/2001 5:33:03 PM PST by FITZ
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