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Are liberal Democrats the new black helicopter loonies?
Captal de Buch | 12-10-01 | Captal de Buch

Posted on 12/10/2001 3:03:32 PM PST by Captal de Buch

Are the liberal Democrats becoming the black helicopter loonies of the new millennium?

 

Remember the black helicopter loonies of the 90’s? Linda Thompson, Mark from Michigan and the other crazies, remember how all their stupid ranting seem to stick to conservatives like Velcro? Those bozos created all sorts of credibility problems for anyone who spoke up about issues in the Clinton administration. Any time a conservative criticized the Clinton administration he or she would be dismissed as just another Clinton hating black helicopter loony. This dismissible conservative credibility in the eyes of the American public seemed to embolden Clinton to do what he damn well pleased without fear of retribution from the public, even to the point of lying to Congress and the American people.

 

Is the shoe on the other foot now?

 

Charles Schumer, Maxine Waters and others from the left appear have taken up the mantel of un-credible loonies whose words and actions are destroying any credibility the Democrats have when it comes to criticizing the Republicans and the Bush administration. Their ranting doesn’t seem to change Bush’s popularity ratings, in fact they make it look like the Democratic Party agenda is simply a sour grapes plot to get Bush.

 

Do the Republicans realize this? If they do realize this can they take advantage of the situation or will the innate Republican fear of doing something stupid turn into another round of not doing anything at all?


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To: VA Advogado
He still voted against banning partial birth abortion. Thats about as evil, democratic and statist as you can get in my book. And you?

I am anti-abortion and anti-death penalty. There are people on both sides of the issue in all parties. Including the GOP. Any of those you'd care to label along with Paul?

141 posted on 12/10/2001 5:15:04 PM PST by Dakotabound
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To: VA Advogado
"Libertarians support all laws which criminalize the violation of individual rights." But then I thought you would at least be logical in your debate.

Don't be intentionally stupid.

Rights are not subjective.

However, the determination of whether the unborn have them very much is.

There is no contradiction.

142 posted on 12/10/2001 5:15:14 PM PST by Doctor Doom
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To: Fury
Just a note that Dr. Kissinger and the rest of the CFR were very helpful in making sure that Nebraska made it to the Rose Bowl, as well as the Skull & Bones, and the Freemasons.

You belong on my list just for being a Nebraska fan. :)

143 posted on 12/10/2001 5:16:39 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: Senator Pardek
Your question was absurd. Their beliefs would preclude them from engaging in war at all.
144 posted on 12/10/2001 5:16:59 PM PST by Demidog
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To: VA Advogado
Have you ever READ Roe v Wade? The state has a compelling interest in the life of the child in the 3 trimester. It means they CAN ban it. Where do you guys come up with this stuff. You throw your shit to the wall and hope something will stick? Can you people support ANY of your silly ideas with facts or logic?

I'm supposing you haven't read the Constitution.

Otherwise you'd know that Article I, Section 8 makes both unconstitutional.

You cannot build good laws on bad ones.

145 posted on 12/10/2001 5:17:11 PM PST by Doctor Doom
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To: nopardons
Hurry up. Daylight's a wastin'.
146 posted on 12/10/2001 5:18:14 PM PST by Demidog
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To: Demidog
Your question was absurd. Their beliefs would preclude them from engaging in war at all.

Apparently not in the case of Great Britain.

147 posted on 12/10/2001 5:18:37 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: VA Advogado
Constitutionally, abortion is outside the purview of the federal government, so the Libertarian Party rightly opposes federal laws outlawing or permitting abortion.

Isnt the right to life a primary right? How do you reconcile this statement with your one in post #94 where you said:

"Libertarians support all laws which criminalize the violation of individual rights."

Federal laws against murder other than in the federal district would also be unConstitutional.

Actually, that's redundant. Laws against abortion are laws against murder, and thus are a state matter.

148 posted on 12/10/2001 5:18:38 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: Demidog
What you want to believe is that there are people who do not have a right to defend themselves from our government.

Of course people have a right to defend themselves from our government.

But, once they are defeated, as bin Laden will be, we have the right to define how they will be dealt with, given that they opposed us (or, in binLaden's case, killed American citizens).

And you want to believe that Americans are morally and genetically superior to everyone else due to the mere fact that somebody wrote something down on a piece of paper.

Where did I say that Americans are morally and genetically superior?

The fact is, however, that we may deal with non-citizen enemies of our country however we choose, subject to the Geneva Convention which we signed.

I had no idea you were such a globalist. You must love the International Court at the Hague.

I don't think Ron Paul is a big fan of the Hague.

149 posted on 12/10/2001 5:18:54 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Doctor Doom
Laws against all other crimes are the proper role of states and localities, provided they do not violate the U.S. Constitution.

So the federal government is suppose to play no role in securing your personal safety?

150 posted on 12/10/2001 5:18:59 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: VA Advogado
The black, I mean red and white helicopters with the big red N are on their way over to your house right now. Nighty night...
151 posted on 12/10/2001 5:19:00 PM PST by Fury
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To: Doctor Doom
Laws against all other crimes are the proper role of states and localities, provided they do not violate the U.S. Constitution.

So the federal government is suppose to play no role in securing your personal/individual safety?

152 posted on 12/10/2001 5:19:11 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: VA Advogado
You are becoming tiresome with your evasions.

Last time.

Individual rights are objective.

The determination of whether the unborn have them, i.e. are persons, is arrived at by each individual's personal belief, be they conservative, liberal, Christian, atheist, libertarian, Jew, or whatever.

153 posted on 12/10/2001 5:19:45 PM PST by Doctor Doom
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To: Senator Pardek
Apparently not in the case of Great Britain.

Meaning that they're extreme hyporcrites. Now why would I want to use Great Britain as an example of the proper protection of human rights?

Are you born with rights or did Bush give them to you and can he take them away whenever he sees fit?

154 posted on 12/10/2001 5:20:38 PM PST by Demidog
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To: VA Advogado
All men except realpatriot71 and motzman

Can you not see how silly and childish this is? What's next, "my dad can beat up your dad"?

155 posted on 12/10/2001 5:20:50 PM PST by realpatriot71
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To: VA Advogado
So the federal government is suppose to play no role in securing your personal/individual safety?

Only in the three above ennumerated crimes, and in the case of a declared state of war. (also Article I, Section 8)

I encourage you to read the Constitution. It is a better guide than your emotions.

156 posted on 12/10/2001 5:20:51 PM PST by Doctor Doom
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To: Dakotabound
Any of those you'd care to label along with Paul?

I would include any that didnt vote to ban this proceedure. But the others in congress don't seem to have the following here that Paul does, so we focus on him.

157 posted on 12/10/2001 5:21:33 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: A.J.Armitage
Is he (VA) being intentionally thick, or does he have some sort of problem.

You seemed to understand what I said. I am writing in English. What's the deal?

158 posted on 12/10/2001 5:22:19 PM PST by Doctor Doom
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To: sinkspur
Where did I say that Americans are morally and genetically superior?

When you claimed that they have more rights than others who do not happen to be citizens.

159 posted on 12/10/2001 5:22:34 PM PST by Demidog
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To: Doctor Doom
Don't be intentionally stupid.

Rights are not subjective.

However, the determination of whether the unborn have them very much is.

There is no contradiction.

Yes, we heard a lot of your type during the Florida recount.

"Its not the votes(rights) that count, its the people counting the votes (determining the rights)that count"

160 posted on 12/10/2001 5:23:26 PM PST by VA Advogado
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