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To: FITZ
There really is no good excuse to have an abortion

There is really no good excuse for you to stick your nose in some elses private affairs. You and your fellow travelers in the Red Army will do anything you can to limit other people's rights: stop abortion, take away guns, outlaw drugs, outlaw smoking, outlaw alchohol, outlaw homosexuals, jail promiscuous teenagers, forbid people to die a peaceful death, permit hate crimes, take away any all state's right you can, forbid home shooling, censor TV shows and movies, etc. You will do anything you can to force your will on this Nation if not on the World. You are dangerous.

101 posted on 12/07/2001 4:12:42 PM PST by pcl
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To: pcl
A man here just killed a little 5 year old girl. According to you then everyone should just mind their own business, he has a need to kill humans just like the abortionists do. Why say any murder is wrong? Same with domestic abuse----should we keep out of other people's business and say if a man decides his wife is a nuisance he can beat or kill her?
102 posted on 12/07/2001 4:42:59 PM PST by FITZ
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To: pcl
Homosexuals aren't killing, consensual sex between two adults doesn't involve one killing the other so I'm for leaving them alone. The unborn baby doesn't have any choice, there is no consent.
104 posted on 12/07/2001 4:44:47 PM PST by FITZ
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To: pcl
I'm not dangerous to my own children at least-----I never had a single one of them put to death, I bet you can't say the same for yourself.
106 posted on 12/07/2001 4:47:07 PM PST by FITZ
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To: pcl
PCL, your posts are too tempting to ignore. I had a feeling we would go astray from the orignial topic of this thread which was "Grief after abortion". I knew it would end in a debate. Sigh...

"You and your fellow travelers in the Red Army will do anything you can to limit other people's rights: stop abortion"

Hmmmmm...Red Army? Well, I gotta beg to differ here. I firmly believe probably one of the ulimate goals of the "Red Army" was to demoralize and end the family structure.

Here is an interesting link. You spark my curiosity and I must run to Google. This was written by a Russian Orthodox Priest. (I would assume he is Orthodox).

The first communist country was the first country in the world that legalized the killing of the unborn children.

The communists had brought a lot of the terrible things into the human civilization: the new model of the economics, the new literature, new morals and new logic. According to this logic they have made a new discovery: "One can get rid of the hunger problem by decreasing the number of the people who eat

On November 18, 1920 abortions were legalized by the communist government. At the same moment there were massacres against Christians all over the country. There were so many victims among the Christians that they think the number of martyrs was greater than in the first centuries.

At last, in the 1990s we have obtained the opportunity to openly oppose the killing of the unborn children. We have realized that during the last 70 years we have lost precious time. The consciousness of the nation had changed. The most dreadful result of the last decades was that an abortion became a normal and ordinary thing to do. The mind of the society had changed.

Everybody has a conscious. Many people hesitate before an abortion no matter what their religion or point of view on that subject might be. However, when an abortion becomes an ordinary event in the society, it is easier to overcome the internal resistance of the conscience. They start to behave themselves "as everybody else do".

According to an original communist's teaching, marriage should disappear in the future. They have forgotten this dogma but if you compare the practice of the sexual and communist revolutionaries you will find the similarity.

Like the communists they are possessed by the idea of a global change of the world and the whole society including destroying of the moral, traditional and the religious values.

The problem of the abortions in Russia An abortion as the invention of the communists:

(Interesting essay for those who care to read)

109 posted on 12/07/2001 5:42:23 PM PST by SpookBrat
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To: pcl
This is really a bit overwrought. Many of the positions you are describing are actually taken by completely different people. Do you really believe that the typical people who are pro-life oppose home schooling or would take away people's rights to keep and bear arms? If so, you believe this without evidence.

Even if you disagree with the pro-life position, making these hysterical accusations of bad faith is neither sound nor fair. We are interested in protecting what we believe to be innocent human life from being victimized from the choices of others. If you can refute the grounds on which we argue that this debate involves human life, do so. But do not engage in such unwarranted tirades.

120 posted on 12/08/2001 5:11:09 PM PST by dubyajames
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