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Flt. 587 Eyewitnesses Insist Explosion Came Before Tail Broke Off
Newsmax ^ | 12/3/1 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 12/03/2001 7:24:22 AM PST by Carol Roberts

Monday Dec. 3, 2001; 11:07 a.m. EST

Flt. 587 Eyewitnesses Insist Explosion Came Before Tail Broke Off

Two eyewitness to the Nov. 12 crash of American Airlines Flight 587 said over the weekend that investigators for the National Transportation Safety Board are wrong to focus on potential structural defects as the cause of the disaster - insisting instead that the plane's tail came off over New York's Jamaica Bay only after it exploded in a fireball.

"It was after the explosion," eyewitness Tom Lynch, a retired firefighter, told the New York Post. "I'm telling you, the tail was there until the second explosion."

"No tail fell off, not before the explosion. I swear to that," Lynch told the paper's Steve Dunleavy.

The eyewitness said there was absolutely no doubt about what he saw.

"I had my head up taking in that beautiful, clear day and was staring straight at the plane. It made a bank turn and suddenly there was an explosion, orange and black, on the right-hand side of the fuselage. It was a small explosion, about half the size of a car."

He continued:

"The plane kept on going straight for about two or three seconds as if nothing had happened, then ‘vwoof' - the second, big explosion on the right wing, orange and black. It was only then that the plane fell apart. It was after the explosion and I'm telling you, the tail was there until the second explosion."

Lynch, who lives near the Belle Harbor, N.Y. crash site, said he knew thirteen others who also saw the explosion and/or fire.

One, retired police lieutenant Jim Conrad, told Dunleavy:

"I saw exactly what Tom saw. I was near a stop light at the Marine Parkway Bridge. First, the small explosion. The plane kept on going, tail intact, then the big explosion and the plane nose-dived. The first thing I said was: ‘The bastards did it again.'"

Lynch said he's tried to contact the FBI and the NTSB but they weren't interested in his story. Ditto Sens. Chuck Schumer, Hillary Clinton, and his congressional representative Anthony Weiner, who also gave him the brush off.

"I got no response from anyone," he said.

Last week NewsMax.com asked New York State's newly appointed public security czar James Kallstrom why a traffic surveillance video that reportedly captured Flt. 587's mid-air break up has not been publicly released.

"I have not seen the tape. I heard some mention of it. But I've not seen the tape and I really have no knowledge of it," Kallstrom said.

"Why it hasn't been released, I suspect, is because the investigation is ongoing. But I don't know the answer to that."


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1 posted on 12/03/2001 7:24:23 AM PST by Carol Roberts
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To: Carol Roberts
There's always someone who will insist that the sky isn't blue. Just like there will always be somebody, who will insist that this plane didn't come down because of an accident.

In both cases they are wrong, the problem is, they never want to admit it.

3 posted on 12/03/2001 7:34:25 AM PST by jerod
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To: Carol Roberts
Tom Lynch & Jim Conrad, get bodyguards and food tasters.
4 posted on 12/03/2001 7:36:38 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Carol Roberts
Just a speculation but it's easily possible that the tail supports snapped enough in the wake turbulance to skew the tail so that the plane became un-controlable causing the plane to start to break up (engines coming off, etc) before the tail completely tore loose.

They have the voice recorder which tends to pick up sounds like explosions and they heard none before the flight data recorder started picking up drastic rudder swings.

No evidence of a bomb. Sorry conspiratorists.

5 posted on 12/03/2001 7:37:25 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: timestax; japaneseghost
Bump for similarities to TWA 800.
6 posted on 12/03/2001 7:37:42 AM PST by coloradan
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To: Carol Roberts
I believe Lynch and Conrad.

Wake tubulence?

7 posted on 12/03/2001 7:40:30 AM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Carol Roberts
This confirms an eyewitness interview I saw on TV that day - The guy was out on a boat, heard a 'pop', looked up and saw the plane flying level and intact but with flames on the right side - then said that part of the wing tore off, swung back and slapped the tail. The plane was flying level until this time. Said it wasn't until the tail was KNOCKED OFF BY THE WING that the jet banked and went into a steep nosedive.

You know, I lived in central Jersey when the TWA 800 happened. Same thing happened with day-of-incident eyewitness accounts on local newsbroadcasts describing sitings of missile trails. Then, after the incident day, we never saw or heard another word from the mainstream media about these reports.

8 posted on 12/03/2001 7:41:02 AM PST by Rockinfreakapotamus
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
I believe Lynch and Conrad.

I believe the flight data recorders and the wreckage evidence.

9 posted on 12/03/2001 7:41:35 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: Rockinfreakapotamus
Said it wasn't until the tail was KNOCKED OFF BY THE WING

There is no such "slap" damage to the tail. Therefore this person was mistaken -- which is common in eyewitness accounts of such mishaps.

10 posted on 12/03/2001 7:43:18 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: Carol Roberts
Fyi
NASA research facility to study tail of Flight 587
11 posted on 12/03/2001 7:43:28 AM PST by csvset
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To: Carol Roberts
Well, I still think a UFO shot it down. So there. (sacasm off)
12 posted on 12/03/2001 7:44:26 AM PST by scooter2
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To: jlogajan
Flight data recorders that you haven't heard. The videotape from the bridge not released. Meanwhile everyone ignores the people who saw what happened.
13 posted on 12/03/2001 7:44:40 AM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: csvset
NASA research facility to study tail of Flight 587

Is that the same NASA that faked Moon-Landings ?

14 posted on 12/03/2001 7:48:59 AM PST by y2k_citizen
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
Flight data recorders that you haven't heard.

I've seen the charts from the flight data recorders as well as photos of the tail and the tail mounts. There is no "wing slap" damage to the tail.

These witness accounts are often seriously flawed. The guy who saw the wing slap off the tail is clearly mistaken.

15 posted on 12/03/2001 7:49:09 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: jlogajan
"No evidence of a bomb."

Were you on the team who listened to the recording? Have you heard the entire recording? Who says there is no data supporting an explosion. Whoever that....NTSB? Do you actually beleive what they say? Why do you discount folks who say they saw an explosion....and a burning wing come off? Why is any explantion, other than the governments, a conspiracy? Do you think any government entity has lied to the public to further an agenda?

16 posted on 12/03/2001 7:50:38 AM PST by hove
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To: Carol Roberts
"Why it hasn't been released, I suspect, is because the investigation is ongoing. But I don't know the answer to that."

You could make the tape public and still use the tape in the investigaion.

That way it would remove any conspiritorial types from claiming the tape was altered to fit the conclusion of the NTSB findings. The before investigation and after investigation tapes could be compared.-Tom

17 posted on 12/03/2001 7:50:56 AM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: Carol Roberts
"Why it hasn't been released, I suspect, is because the investigation is ongoing. But I don't know the answer to that."

You could make the tape public and still use the tape in the investigaion.

That way it would remove any conspiritorial types from claiming the tape was altered to fit the conclusion of the NTSB findings. The before investigation and after investigation tapes could be compared.-Tom

18 posted on 12/03/2001 7:52:11 AM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: hove
NTSB? Do you actually beleive what they say?

Yes. They are as good as it gets. They have a lot more credibility than a bunch of arm-chair yahoo conspiracy nuts, if you don't mind me saying.

19 posted on 12/03/2001 7:54:09 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: Carol Roberts
Explosive bolts?
20 posted on 12/03/2001 7:55:38 AM PST by thinktwice
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