Councilman burned up by smoking in line

The Orange County Register ^ | November 27, 2001 | VALERIA GODINES

[Hans Moleman]

GARDEN GROVE -- Mark Rosen was fuming after waiting in line for the Harry Potter movie, but he wasn't angry about the long wait.

It was the smokers puffing away around children that upset the Garden Grove councilman. Rosen plans to propose a local law at tonight's council meeting that would ban smoking in movie lines, parks and fast-food playgrounds.

[HarryDunne]

If we're talking specifically about the councilman, I see your point.

But what about the example I mentioned?

[hobbes1]

I don't smoke...actually....

However, your insistence that others obey your edicts reeks not of non smokers....but Liberals.

As to the explanation, I am saying, that avoiding cancer, as you so blithely put it, is a matter of personal choice...

[Smokin' Joe]

Yep. And if you won't teach your kids that much, you have failed them.

I have had kids come up to me after a two day bike run, looking scruffy, wearing my leathers and covered with bug guts, to ask for something.

If you twits could get past your belief that we are inhuman firebreathing monsters, maybe there would be room for discourse.

No, you pass your prejudices on to your children, and your lack of communication ability. I am far more likely (at 6'1, 235 lbs) to respond favorably to a polite request from anyone, especially a child, than I am to willingly abide by a law passed by cowards who wouldn't even talk to me.

[Mark]

Tobacco and alcohol-- EVIL!

[EODGUY]

Harry, I don't see any mention in the article that any young people in line were complaining, only our hero, the councilman. Actually, if the councilman had thought of the example you supplied, he probably would have sent his child over to deal with the object of his (the councilman's) hissy fit.

[101viking]

"Typical smoker, thinks he makes up all the rules."

Typical? What an arrogant statement. The majority of smokers are considerate of others and where they smoke. Maybe 2% or so are rude and obnoxious, and they would be that way whether or not they smoked. It is disinformation like you are putting out here that causes many of us considerate smokers to become hostile. I am willing to bet there is some vice that you practice that I could lump you in as "typical" with. If you want to discuss the issues, fine that is what this forum is for, if you want to attack, then be prepared to be attacked back with extreme prejudice.

[HarryDunne]

If you twits could get past your belief that we are inhuman firebreathing monsters

I never called you that and it is not my belief. Please provide the exact quotation or apologize.

[AppyPappy]

Maybe we should write a letter to the editor of the local paper warning of the effects of second-hand Potter and demanding laws to protect children from it.

[HarryDunne]

It is disinformation like you are putting out here that causes many of us considerate smokers to become hostile.

Then educate me. I'm open to it. EODGuy just corrected one of my remarks and now we're moving on.

And since when do I control your emotions? Don't you have enough self-control to be able to listen to opinions different from your own without becoming hostile?

[SheLion]

People who are anti-smokers cannot believe, for the life of them, that we are finally standing up for our rights. They find this most mind boggling. They believe that we should just cower and say "Oh yes, we have to stop smoking. We are so sorry." They can't understand why their propaganda has not worked.

[Eastbound]

What burns me up is that while they are swatting gnats, they are swallowing camels (npi).

Is the anti-smoking issue just a sleight-of-hand method of how TPTB want to give the impression that the gunnerments are really concerned about your health and would certainly not allow our need for clean air to be molested by anyone for any reason?

History proves differently.

Check out the CAMEL that is more blatantly and more thoroughly poisoning the air we breathe.

[nkycincinnatikid]

"Rude Bastards"? You need to alter your medication, born to be served. Couldn't the "responsible" adult, "parent" have told his charges to step out of the line while he sacrificed his health for them? Reminds me of an evening recently when my wife and I went out to the "burbs" to a cantina my sister recommended. We decided to eat in the bar area where we feel comfortable smoking as this was a community and a place with lots of kids. (As opposed to in town where people seem to have enough sense to get a sitter when they go out to restaurants). Sure enough Ms Soccer Mom with her hubby and brood decide to eat in the bar also because there was a wait for the dining area . Predictably she sat making indignant comments to Mr Soccer Mom every time my wife or I would light up. Believe me my wife and I could care less.

[101viking]

"Don't you have enough self-control to be able to listen to opinions different from your own without becoming hostile?"

Re-read my post. My beef was that you used the term "typical smoker," in relation to "we think we can make up our own rules." We don't make up the rules, government tries to. All most smokers want is to be left alone, and not be constantly harrassed by people who probably don't have strong feelings about tobacco smoke one way or another, but are empowered by what is fast becoming government approved discrimination. The arguement has been gone over dozens of times, and the facts remain the same. There is no concrete evidence that second hand smoke causes any serious health risks, and is at best a class "A" annoyance to some people. For the record, I would not stand in line, and smoke. As matter of fact, if I was forced to stand in line for a childrens movie, I'd welcome the opportunity to step out of line and retreat some where for a smoke.

[SheLion]

Sounds like a letter some gal wrote to the newspaper in Hawaii. She and her hubby and two kids went into a restaurant for "dessert." Since they couldn't eat in the dining room, since they didn't want a meal, they choose to sit in the bar. WITH the kids. Then she had the nerve to scream about the smoke! I whipped off a letter to the Editor myself. That woman was just trying to make problems! She knew before she went in there that is was an establishment that allowed smoking. Why didn't she just take her kids to McDonalds? They serve a nice hot apple pie, and there is no smoking. She was just trying to cause trouble. Adults going into a bar with KIDS should be given the boot.

[1Old Pro]

"There were these adults smoking cigarettes in these lines, around kids who are basically captive, and if adults don't have sense enough to not smoke in those confined quarters

The great outdoors = confined quarters?

[nkycincinnatikid]

Thank You for your good work. Even though my own child was perfect in every way, I would never have considered taking him into an adult restaurant, until he was in his teens. There is nothing entertaining there for children and the children are an annoyance to everyone further removed than Grandpa. If I couldn't find a desireable venue for the kids , I would certainly not drag them along for my "night out"

[HarryDunne]

There is no concrete evidence that second hand smoke causes any serious health risks

Did you mean "serious" health risks, or "any" health risks?

For the record, I would not stand in line, and smoke. As matter of fact, if I was forced to stand in line for a childrens movie, I'd welcome the opportunity to step out of line and retreat some where for a smoke.

If only all smokers were as courteous, then these anti-smoking laws would be a non-issue because they're wouldn't be any anti-smoking laws.

[HarryDunne]

We are talking about cigarette smoking (and items related to it), not plane exhaust.

[Gabz]

I have to laugh at it. The so-called "study" was not released today. Maybe on this date last year, or the year before - but this is not some earth shattering news of TODAY.

[Just another Joe]

If only all smokers were as courteous, then these anti-smoking laws would be a non-issue because they're wouldn't be any anti-smoking laws.

I have to disagree with you on this. Even if all smokers had the patience of Job and the lifespan of Methusala, anti-smokers would want to control the life of said smoker.
Antis do NOT like the smell of smoke and want the government to enforce their DISLIKE on ALL others within their sphere of life.