Posted on 11/24/2001 11:40:01 PM PST by Pericles
OKLAHOMA BOMBING LINKED TO BIN LADEN
Reed Irvine
Chairman, Accuracy in Media
November 21, 2001
Soon after the fall of Kabul, journalists discovered two houses in an upscale neighborhood, one bearing the seal of the Taliban and the Ministry of Defense, where a lot of interesting documents, papers and notebooks had been left behind when the Taliban made their hasty departure. On November 17, the New York Times ran a big page-one story by David Rhode on the revelations found in these documents about Al Qaedas activities and plans for future terrorist operations, including weapons they were thinking of using. There were references to chemical and biological weapons and even developing nuclear weapons. A page listing flight training schools in Florida torn out of a magazine and a form that comes with the Microsoft Flight Simulator 98 program that simulates flying airliners provided additional evidence linking Osama bin Laden to the Sept. 11 attacks.
The Times followed up with a story the next day that focused mainly on the notes and drawings of one unnamed individual who had described some proposed new weapons that a reporter for the London Sunday Times had described as "unnerving for the layman." The New York Times story by Rhode and James Glanz countered that opinion with evidence provided by scientists that the grandiose weapons for which this individual had drawn up plans were totally impractical.
"But," the Times said, "chemical formulas written by him and by another man, a Bosnian, who left notes behind at the Taliban Defense Ministry in the same quarter of Kabul, show clearly that they knew how to make crude explosives. In an apparent reference to the Oklahoma City bombing by Timothy McVeigh, one chemical formula at the Defense Ministry is annotated in Bosnian, Was used in Oklahoma." This had been described toward the end of Rhodes story the previous day a little differently. Discussing the house that bore the Taliban and Ministry of Defense seals, Rhode had written, "Upstairs, a room labeled special office, had been mostly emptied, but numerous papers remained in desk drawers. Most of them were notebooks from students. One gave a detailed description of various ways to make nitroglycerin, dynamite and fertilizer bombs. A note next to one of the explosive formulas said, the type used in Oklahoma."
That was the biggest news in the story if the formula was not ammonium nitrate and fuel oil, the ANFO bomb that Timothy McVeigh is supposed to have used to blow up the Murrah Building. "Supposed to have used" has to be said because there is a lot of evidence that an ANFO bomb alone could not have caused all the damage done to the Murrah Building and that smaller powerful bombs inside the building caused much, if not most, of it. Since the ANFO that the FBI says was in the Ryder truck failed to demolish a low concrete wall between it and the building, or knock down a nearby lamp post, it could not have destroyed the more distant reinforced concrete building.
The inspector general of the Justice Department said in his report on the FBI Crime Laboratory that the FBI analysis of the Oklahoma City case "merits special censure" because conclusions about an ANFO bomb were "incomplete," "inappropriate," "flawed," and nonscientific.
If Al Qaeda knew more than the FBI about the formula for the bombs used in Oklahoma City, that would show that it was involved in the bombing. The New York Times failed to acknowledge this, perhaps because its story did not make it crystal clear that the notation, "the type used in Oklahoma," meant that in Oklahoma, bombs made of nitroglycerin, dynamite and ammonium nitrate (a fertilizer), not just ANFO, were used.
A London Sunday Times story featured the information about the Oklahoma bomb and made it clear that the formula was not ANFO. It said, "On one page, under the title Explosivija za Oklahomu, the owner of the notebook had scribbled formulas with inscriptions in English for TNT, ammonium nitrate and nitroglycerine. The Oklahoma bomb was made from ammonium nitrate and fuel oil."
That made it clear that there was a difference, but the story didnt discuss its signifi-cancethe revelation that more sophisticated bombs were used in Oklahoma City and bin Laden knew it. This suggests that the Murrah Building was his second attack on a U.S. building. Many people saw swarthy John Does with McVeigh and Nichols. It is believed that they are shown on surveillance tapes the FBI seized. The Kabul discovery should force the release of those tapes and a revival of the search for the John Does.
Reed Irvine can be reached at ri@aim.org
Why don't You ask FEDSCUM "_Jim" or what ever handle he is using these days on the FR, since he is the know all - tell all on OKC ?
But how did they know what the bomb was made of with exact chemical formula that does not even match Mc Veigh's bomb?
It's a good lead IMHO.
Thanks for pointing out this important information. A very strong case has been made on FR and elsewhere that there was a Middle Eastern/ Muslim terrorist connection with the OKC bombing and this further supports the case.
It is easy for me to comprehend why a corrupt Clinton Administration would chose not to prosecute all the responsible parties for the OKC bombing. What I am finding it difficult to assimilate into the general understanding of how our society functions is the fact that our "free press" has completely ignored the overwhelming evidence of the Middle Eastern/Muslim terrorist connection to the OKC bombing. There is simply no rational explanation for a "free press" to ignore the evidence concerning the OKC bombing. Therefore, I must conclude that the "free press" is behaving in an irrational manner or the "free press" is not free. Either conclusion challenges our general understanding of how our society functions.
To see additional discussion ideas presented on this see also see this thread:
Secrets of Al-Queda: Network studied Oklahoma-style bomb
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/573136/posts
Foreign Affairs
Source: The Sunday Times (U.K.)
Published: 11/18/2001 Author: Nick Fielding
Posted on 11/17/01 4:03 PM Pacific by Pokey78
Chilling, isn't it?
As soon as the cockpit voice recorders from the Pentagon and Pennsylvania crash were recovered and played, the FAA put a system wide halt on jumpseating. I would recommend we all put safety and security ahead of personal convenience. Your "irresponsible rumor mongering" remark is irresponsible. Most people, including pilots, actually live in the same geographic location where they work and consider it a condition of employment. I am certain you are not suggesting that your choice of not living in the city where you are employed is more important than the security of your passengers, but that is how you sound here.
Don't abandon the jumpseat theory. There is a significant amount of evidence that supports it.
Ashcroft and company are not protecting the Clintons for the good of the country! They are protecting GW and his daddy. The Clintons have the goods on all of them. If Bush lets Clinton go down......then the Bushes go down. That is just how things work in these people strange little worlds....
Thanks to both of you for digging all this up.
The inspector general of the Justice Department said in his report on the FBI Crime Laboratory that the FBI analysis of the Oklahoma City case "merits special censure" because conclusions about an ANFO bomb were "incomplete," "inappropriate," "flawed," and nonscientific.
Bump.
The short story is: the FBI Lab personnel lied about ANFO.
For anyone who wants the long story, see the link above.
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