OKLAHOMA BOMBING LINKED TO BIN LADEN (Captured Chemical Notes Say in Bosnian ‘Was used in Oklahoma’)

Accuracy in Media ^ | November 21, 2001 | Reed Irvine

[Pericles]

OKLAHOMA BOMBING LINKED TO BIN LADEN

Reed Irvine

Chairman, Accuracy in Media

November 21, 2001

Soon after the fall of Kabul, journalists discovered two houses in an upscale neighborhood, one bearing the seal of the Taliban and the Ministry of Defense, where a lot of interesting documents, papers and notebooks had been left behind when the Taliban made their hasty departure. On November 17, the New York Times ran a big page-one story by David Rhode on the revelations found in these documents about Al Qaeda’s activities and plans for future terrorist operations, including weapons they were thinking of using. There were references to chemical and biological weapons and even developing nuclear weapons. A page listing flight training schools in Florida torn out of a magazine and a form that comes with the Microsoft Flight Simulator 98 program that simulates flying airliners provided additional evidence linking Osama bin Laden to the Sept. 11 attacks.

The Times followed up with a story the next day that focused mainly on the notes and drawings of one unnamed individual who had described some proposed new weapons that a reporter for the London Sunday Times had described as "unnerving for the layman." The New York Times story by Rhode and James Glanz countered that opinion with evidence provided by scientists that the grandiose weapons for which this individual had drawn up plans were totally impractical.

"But," the Times said, "chemical formulas written by him and by another man, a Bosnian, who left notes behind at the Taliban Defense Ministry in the same quarter of Kabul, show clearly that they knew how to make crude explosives. In an apparent reference to the Oklahoma City bombing by Timothy McVeigh, one chemical formula at the Defense Ministry is annotated in Bosnian, ‘Was used in Oklahoma.’" This had been described toward the end of Rhode’s story the previous day a little differently. Discussing the house that bore the Taliban and Ministry of Defense seals, Rhode had written, "Upstairs, a room labeled ‘special office,’ had been mostly emptied, but numerous papers remained in desk drawers. Most of them were notebooks from students. One gave a detailed description of various ways to make nitroglycerin, dynamite and fertilizer bombs. A note next to one of the explosive formulas said, ‘the type used in Oklahoma.’"

That was the biggest news in the story if the formula was not ammonium nitrate and fuel oil, the ANFO bomb that Timothy McVeigh is supposed to have used to blow up the Murrah Building. "Supposed to have used" has to be said because there is a lot of evidence that an ANFO bomb alone could not have caused all the damage done to the Murrah Building and that smaller powerful bombs inside the building caused much, if not most, of it. Since the ANFO that the FBI says was in the Ryder truck failed to demolish a low concrete wall between it and the building, or knock down a nearby lamp post, it could not have destroyed the more distant reinforced concrete building.

The inspector general of the Justice Department said in his report on the FBI Crime Laboratory that the FBI analysis of the Oklahoma City case "merits special censure" because conclusions about an ANFO bomb were "incomplete," "inappropriate," "flawed," and nonscientific.

If Al Qaeda knew more than the FBI about the formula for the bombs used in Oklahoma City, that would show that it was involved in the bombing. The New York Times failed to acknowledge this, perhaps because its story did not make it crystal clear that the notation, "the type used in Oklahoma," meant that in Oklahoma, bombs made of nitroglycerin, dynamite and ammonium nitrate (a fertilizer), not just ANFO, were used.

A London Sunday Times story featured the information about the Oklahoma bomb and made it clear that the formula was not ANFO. It said, "On one page, under the title Explosivija za Oklahomu, the owner of the notebook had scribbled formulas with inscriptions in English for TNT, ammonium nitrate and nitroglycerine. The Oklahoma bomb was made from ammonium nitrate and fuel oil."

That made it clear that there was a difference, but the story didn’t discuss its signifi-cance—the revelation that more sophisticated bombs were used in Oklahoma City and bin Laden knew it. This suggests that the Murrah Building was his second attack on a U.S. building. Many people saw swarthy John Does with McVeigh and Nichols. It is believed that they are shown on surveillance tapes the FBI seized. The Kabul discovery should force the release of those tapes and a revival of the search for the John Does.

Reed Irvine can be reached at ri@aim.org

[clamper1797]

FYI the Portland airport is within walking distance from UNO's ... I wonder if they were staying at the Embassy Suites right there.

[Irma]

I have used that exact SAME ATM at UNO's in the Maine Mall at least a dozen times .... scary

YIKES! That would freak me out!

[mewzilla]

=80

I'd never seen the side-by-side of Atta and John Doe #2 before.

[Irma]

pay close attention to the wording of author, Laurie Mylroie, whom has nailed some very important critical evidence linking Terry Nichols, the Phillippines, and the nation of Iraq--she is pulling no punch's in her presentations, and statements.

Hey old buddy!  ;-)

Thanks for the info.  I've been reading some of Laurie Mylroie's work that was posted here on FR.  Here's an interesting article.....(it's the third of four parts)

                   SPECIAL REPORT
US lists 23 int’l terrorists  who regularly visit RP
                   By Dorian Zumel Sicat, Correspondent , Karl Kauffmann and Christine
                   Carranza, Reporters

It includes the following......

                   That Terry Nichols would be in the Philippines is not strange. He has an
                   ex-wife and a wife here. That he was here with Timothy Mc Veigh and that
                   the two of them had met with mid-Easterners and Filipino Muslims in
                   Ermita-Malate, and in Davao City, is altogether another matter.

                   Tessie (surname withheld on request) frequents Woods, a restaurant on
                   Mabini Street in Ermita. She remembered Mc Veigh when she saw his
                   picture on a CNN newscast on the day of his execution.

                   She recalls being shocked. “He (McVeigh) and a man named Terry used to
                   be here all the time. Terry had a Filipina wife or girlfriend. Sometimes they
                   would meet with Arabs and some Muslims from Mindanao. They would
                   always sit outside. And they talked very softly in their meetings. When it
                   was only Terry and that McVeigh they would drink beer. They were
                   friendly.”

                   “But one time I heard this Mc Veigh say in a loud voice to an Arab and a
                   Filipino, ‘That will cost lots of money.’ I did not know what they were
                   talking about, but McVeigh was serious, I think,” Tessie said.
 

[Great Dane]

They need to reopen the investigation into the attack on Oklahoma City.

[InterceptPoint]

The Kabul discovery should force the release of those tapes and a revival of the search for the John Does.

Don't hold your breath.

John "Do Nothing" Ashcroft surely knows all of this if you and I do and could have moved on it long ago. The fact that he hasn't shows clearly that he can't or won't. The liberal media will never ever push this story since it would kill any possible resurection of a favorable Bill Clinton legacy. Without that pressure George W and Ashcroft will just let the sleeping dogs continue to sleep.

W's basic premise I presume is: "You can't handle the truth" America. I disagree with that but I see no progress in the right direction from this administration. And I mean NO progress. The Clinton administration is being protected "for the good of the country". What a joke.

[cardinal4]

As a jumpseater myself I need to immediately dispel the myth that one of the hijackers was in the jumpseat.He may have signed up to use it,but because the load was so light on all the flights that were hijacked that day,the Captain would have the jumpseater sit in the cabin.Most likely in first class.If the hijacker insisted on riding up front all the way to LAX or SFO,it would have aroused suspicion among the crew,I guarantee it.Jumpseating was how certificated airmen like myself got to work,it is rare that a crewmember lives in the city he or she is based.Thanks to 9/11, commuting by using airline reciprocal jumpseat agreements for certificated airmen is very difficult at best.Irresponsible rumor mongering like the hijack/jumpseat one make it very tough on airline employees trying to work.

[Lael]

If the OKC explosive included nitroglycerin and dynamite, is there any place where there would still be traces that can be tested for their presence?

The Inspector General's Report on the FBI Laboritory indicated that not only was there virtually no ANFO residue at the site, but it also concluded that the bomb could have been made of Dynamite, since the FBI ignored the presence of Dynamite Wrappers and casings.

The FBI said ANFO only because Terry Nichols had bought some. To shape the evidence to fit the crime and "criminals" is called "FRAMING". Yet the Judge supressed the Inspector General's Report when the Defense sought to impeach the FBI "experts."

PS, I'm sure that McVeigh had a role, but we still don't know if he was the mastermind, or whether he just drove a truck.

See The Secret Life of Bill Clinton by Ambrose Evans-Prichard for a detailed discussion, supported by End Notes,

[Irma]

Thanks for your reply. You make a very good point. Perhaps I was too hasty in questioning potential coincidences I discovered, but I felt compelled to point out facts which I discovered though documented sources which seemed a bit odd to me.

[Irma]

though=through

[cardinal4]

No problem.Things changed drastically that day.It nice to share REAL facts for once without a lot of speculation and guesswork.

[Nita Nupress]

bump to read later

[max61]

Release the videotapes and then everyone will know,

I've been wondering about these since the McVeigh trial. As if we are supposed to believe they never existed.

---max

[SusanUSA]

It was simply material showing how to make such a bomb, they were probably impressed with it.

I thought that, too, at first. But how does this get explained away?

If Al Qaeda knew more than the FBI about the formula for the bombs used in Oklahoma City, that would show that it was involved in the bombing.

[SusanUSA]

Thanks for the post.
And thanks for the ping, MnM. Bookmarked!

[Pericles]

From the Sunday Times UK article: But there is a more intriguing possibility. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, his accomplice, were responsible for the Oklahoma bomb. Several investigators pointed out that Nichols had spent time in the Philippines and met members of Abu Sayyaf, an Islamic group connected to Bin Laden. Suggestions that the two bombers had been manipulated by an Arab terror cell were rejected by the FBI, but are still a source of speculation in America.

[RobbyS]

One cannot leave out the possibility that the cops wanted to make an arrest, ANY arrest, and that once they have made the arrest, their interest slackens. Also McVeigh--the old-American boy-- was a much safer arrest than a middle-eastern type. The last thing that the Clinton Administration wanted were suspects with obvious ties to the Middle East.

[DAGO]

Being a Drag racer and knowing people who work for Racing fuel distributers ,I heard the Bomb was made up of Nitro -Methane and fertileizer.I heard McVeah tried to buy 110 gal. of Nitro from a VP (thats a co that sells racing fuels)REP,The guy had a feeling something wasent right didnt sell it to him.Reported the insident to the FBI,saying he KNEW this guy WAS NOT a racer.The feds either blew it off or LET IT HAPPEN.I heard he acquired it some where else.